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• Wednesday 17 January 2007 - Nuclear? I spit on you.

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I thought hard about posting this one today. Before I start... Snowy, I would hate you to think that I'm having a go... I hate to disagree with you, my friend. (technicallly I'm not disagreeing with all you've said, but overall...) Anyway, this IS an important issue and I'd just like to spread the word. Just the other day I was thinking that it was about time to stir up the energy debate again, given our idiot government and current social climate. Now, I think we all know how I feel about nuclear energy and the possibility that we might be saddled with reactors dotted across our country. And you also know how I feel about the impact of the mighty dollar on big business and corporate decisions. They will try and push the populace into backing nuclear reactors... it's in all their best interests to do so. Independant statements like Snowy's (god forbid), are working in their favour... and Johnny and his boys are rubbing their hands together in glee. Here is some of the best free advertising that they could ask for. (Yes, I can hear Snowy gagging in his weet-bix as I type) 

Anyway, click here to read Snowy's entry. My comment on his blog is below (it's kind of a long one). Let me know what you think... then lobby the government. Lift your voices and be heard. Power to the people.


Never say never, Snowy
Once upon a time we thought it was impossible to fly... 50 years ago we thought that reaching the moon was unattainable... 25 years ago mobile phones were the size of bricks, and today it's common to see them the size of a credit card... who knows what will happen in the next 10 years? Do you think we should all be defeatest and give up on trying to find an alternative? What was it that Albert Einstein said?... "If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?"

Wouldn't it be a shame if we spent all those millions on building nuclear reactors only to find that in another 20 years we could store a year's worth of solar power in one battery pack? And if we built all of those nuclear reactors? How much energy do you think would go into developing a safer alternative... really? What would happen to all of that research that has already been done? Would they try as hard, do you think... or would it come back to the amount of money that the govt has spent on bringing in nuclear energy. You know as well as I do that the almighty dollar rules when it comes to both governments and businesses.

Now, I also know that solar power stations (to run big businesses, etc) do not currently have the ability to work as effectively as coal-burning stations. But a station is not the only way to deliver power to the masses... if it could be augmented by personal home solar systems much of the country could manage quite well. I've seen solar power work on a home scale... a couple of solar panels and some batteries to store the excess. It does work on a single household scale... fairly well, actually... and that's without extra power being obtained from the grid. If every house had one and didn't need to drain the grid, wouldn't there be a hell of a lot more power to go around?

I don't know exactly  how much power the country needs, but if that's still not enough, augment the solar power with conventional power until a better technology is born. Yes, coal is dirty but at least it's relatively safe. Safe enough, at least, to be used as a part-time thing... sort of a transition period until safe power alternatives can be developed properly.

NUCLEAR SHOULD NOT EVEN BE CONSIDERED... shame, Snowy.

Oh, by the way, I've seen generators run by solar (Ok, I don't know the size or scale that you're talking about). I've also seen things such as those big wood saws (that slice trees into planks), water pumps, pressure pumps, spotlights (and many more things) run by solar power... a home system. And yes, technology has improved  majorly just in the last couple of years. Should we give up on solar power now, after all the work and effort that's been put into it? That's like giving up on a baby that's just learning to crawl... it doesn't make sense.

And one final point... you said...
"wishing isn't going to deliver. It never did, and never will."
Well, once upon a time someone wished that they could fly... then they went out and thought of a way that it could be done. Sometimes wishing is the push that you need to make something deliver the desired results. It's a dangerous thing to tell the masses that something can't be done... especially when it comes to something as important as this. If everyone were to believe that, who would be left to do the research? Who would even want to try?

NO NUCLEAR POWER. IT IS NOT THE ANSWER.





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• Wednesday 17 January 2007 - Nobody's saying to give up on renewable energy.

Posted by snowy
Just be realistic about what it is capable of now. And it is not capable of providing for our energy needs now, no matter how much wishing is done. It MAY be possible in the distant future. In the meantime we need to look at using a combination of renewable energy and clean coal, if it is technically possible to do so. If this is not possible then we are going to have to weigh the pros and cons of using nuclear to reduce greenhouse gases. And there are a LOT of cons to be considered.

I'm no advocate of nuclear, but it could also be argued that giving up on it now is also defeatist, as future research MAY show it to be a safe energy source, and waste disposal problems MAY be overcome.

As an aside, we saw a number of nuclear power stations in France, as well as a number of wind farms throughout Europe. So what does that prove? Nothing really, except that someone has decided that both forms of energy are viable for them. Time alone will tell if they were right.

Good renewable energy blog.
http://www.blognow.com.au/renewableenergy/



Edited by snowy on Tuesday 16 January 2007 at 5:39 PM
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• Wednesday 17 January 2007 - Why I'm against the Nuclear option

Posted by petermcc
With the current untrustworthy Government, I feel that we need to kick back hard on nuclear. To my way of thinking, you have to be able to deal with the waste before you start generating it.

The UK were just dumping 44 gallon drums in the North Sea under Thatcher and in a manner that made it impossible to recover once the problems started to emerge. No doubt they were saying they had waste under contriol.

The US has been stockpiling waste for 30 years and don't seem to be predicting a solution any time soon.

This is an area that involves lots of money and Pollies. Not the sort of combination I want to risk the environment on.
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• Wednesday 17 January 2007 - Uranium...

Posted by plonka
Nice one Tina, but I think there's more to it.

There's another aspect to this that never gets press. Does anyone know how much uranium we think we actually have? From what I can find, which isn't much, I'll grant you, it seems that if we ramp up with the nuclear power thing the way the likes of Johnny wants to (remember, America also wants to, so does China, so does Iran and the list goes on and they'll need our minerals), in about 20 years time we'll be running out of that too. Uranium is a rare mineral, yet we have it in "abundance"? No-one else has quite what we do and when you get down to tin tacks, we really don't have that much, geolically speaking.

So why does Johnny like it so much? Seems to me it might make us quite a bit of cash in the short term. That's the scary thing about this governemnt. Johnny'd sell his wife if he though it'd turn a quick buck....
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• Wednesday 17 January 2007 - But what I want to know, is what we are for?

Posted by snowy
To me, the debate is about clean coal or nuclear, both supplemented by renewable energy. I go for clean coal provided the technology to reduce greenhouse gases proves feasible. If it doesn't, and we are serious about reducing greenhouse gases, then nuclear is an option that has to be considered.

It's all very well to say we are against something, but if we are to say that, then we must have a realistic alternative that we are for. Note the word, "realistic". There's no point banging on about renewable energy if it just isn't capable of replacing coal as a reliable supply. And it isn't.

So, are we for clean coal or aren't we?




Edited by snowy on Tuesday 16 January 2007 at 8:41 PM
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• Wednesday 17 January 2007 - Clean...

Posted by tinacee
Yes, clean coal would be much preferable to nuclear. Even coal power as it stands is preferable to nuclear. Someone fanning you with a piece of paper would be preferable to nuclear power. It's an unnecessary waste of money (money that is just going to go into some rich guy's coffer anyway), time and resources. And it's infinitely dangerous. A monster in a cage... but if you make even one little mistake that monster will escape and kill potentially millions. How would you feel if your son or daughter was one of them? Would you say "Oh well, at least we still have the lights on?"

Snowy, I do agree that at this point in time there would have to be some kind of amalgamation of differing power supplies. I would support using coal to suplement alternative sources, but I will never agree that nuclear energy is suitable. I campaigned against it in the 80's and I'm seriously considering running off to protest it again now. It worries me that we've come this far towards turning Aus into another nuclear power.

Plonka, I agree with you. People don't realise that this is also a finite source of power. They are touting it as a wonderful source of energy... but then they did that with fossil fuels too. How long will it be before they decide that they have to look for something else to drain from the earth, I have to wonder?
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• Wednesday 17 January 2007 - And if clean coal isn't attainable?

Posted by snowy
What do we do then?
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• Wednesday 17 January 2007 - Clean coal?

Posted by plonka
Where? There's no such thing! It does and always will produce the same amount of CO2 when you burn it. So what do we do with the tons of CO2 we sequester? Where do we store that or how do we dispose of it? Will we dig a hole and store it in YOUR back yard? We can't let it out so it's just another monster in a cage, as you put it Tina. Not quite so deadly in the short term, I'll grant you, but we don't know about the long term yet... "Here be dragons...." springs to mind...

Still, coal is preferable to nucular (that's my George impression...:)). How about hydrogen? Just a thought.....
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• Wednesday 17 January 2007 - So, if clean coal is out.

Posted by snowy
Do we just keep using dirty coal?

Or go nuclear?

Or use hydrogen?

And if we are going to use hydrogen, where do we get it from?
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• Wednesday 17 January 2007 - Where?

Posted by plonka
CIG...:) Seriously though, water. It's really quite cheap if you don't need better than 95% pure and that's good enough to burn. The 99.95% pure required for fuel cells is ridiculously expensive however.

Point is that ALL coal is dirty. There is no such thing as clean coal. All "clean coal" is, is a mechanism to seperate the resultant gasses after burning and store the CO2. It's an "after" process. The best place to store CO2 however, is in coal, various other hydocarbons or trees.
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• Wednesday 17 January 2007 - So it looks like dirty coal.

Posted by snowy
And that's not acceptable because of greenhouse emissions. You won't maintain present living standards or employment with renewable energy. You need energy to separate hydrogen from water, so that's a dog chasing its tail. Maybe we can use up all the natural gas to keep us going for a while.

The purpose of the execise is to show that there are no simple answers, no matter what the greenies may tell you. Somewhere along the line there is going to have to be compromise. I think we'll be going nuclear, or going back to living in caves.

Maybe both.

Correction: You will. Sometimes there's something to be said for being old. Not much, I grant you...





Edited by snowy on Wednesday 17 January 2007 at 2:00 AM
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• Wednesday 17 January 2007 - Snowy. You think we shouldn't persue alternatives?

Posted by petermcc
Am I reading you right Snowy? Are you suggesting we shouldn't persue the alternatives?

Surely we should keep as many irons in the fire as we can. Howard is prepared to pour huge amounts of dollars into Nuclear but has effectively strangled renewables with the trailing off of subsidies on that 10 year plan.

Now if he could stand up and talk honestly and intelligently about why he has done this then I would be happy to listen, but it's simply not the case. It stinks to high heaven of the typical back room deals that we have had to suffer under current policy.

It's no good him calling on Ziggy for support. Zed has already blown his cred when he lied about Telstra profits to keep Howard happy.

I still don't understand why this idea of total replacement keeps popping up. If you ease the pressure on the domestic side of things and leave coal for the heavy duty stuff, surely that has great merit.
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• Wednesday 17 January 2007 - Thank you, Peter

Posted by tinacee
You've hit the nail on the head... it doesn't have to be all or nothing, does it? What is wrong with the idea of doing what we currently can to relieve some of the burden? Just using SOME solar power, perhaps coupled with SOME wind power and/or hydro-generated power would have to make a difference, wouldn't it? If we all took a greater responsibility for our own usage according to need and viability (eg, solar is not viable in rainy climes... tidal power is not viable in the desert, etc) it WOULD cut down the amount of coal we would need to burn. Then using coal for the bigger jobs wouldn't leave such a bad taste in our mouths. It may not be a good long-term solution, but it's a start. And technology WILL only improve. That's as sure as death and taxes.

And... how much does the govt want to spend on these nuclear reactors, anyway? Why not take that money and offer a subsidy for switching to solar to the average household? How many solar panels would all of those billions buy? And just how much pressure would that take off the grid? I'm not sure of the answers to any of this, but I'd be curious to know.

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• Wednesday 17 January 2007 - two cents please?

Posted by gryphonn
Okely dokely,

How about this...considering that millions (billions) has been spent researching power sources that will make a profit for someone (coal, uranium, gas etc), how about (and I just have a strange feeling this won't happen) our govt and private enterprise starts spending some REAL money on renewable energy research and refinement of current renewable technologies. It has taken far too long to refine solar cells due to a lack of any real funding.
Coal Resources recently built the second largest dragline in the world out near Emerald. The cost is in the hundreds of millions. An electricity guzzling beast to dig the coal to boil the water to run the generators that provide its power. Imagine what could be discovered/developed if that sort of money were used in research and development of alt. energy sources. This sort of thing can happen in a very short time. Look at flight. In under a hundred years we went from a 20 odd metre flight to landing on the moon...because flight was found to be convenient and profitable.

Find a way to make renewable energy profitable and we'll all be hippies in under ten years.
:o)
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• Wednesday 17 January 2007 - Sorry, but I'm getting a little tired of repeating myself

Posted by snowy
I haven't said that we should give up on renewables. I haven't said that we must go nuclear. I haven't said that we must go dirty coal. I haven't said that we must do anything. I have tried to identify alternatives, and form an opinion on whether those alternatives are viable or not.

I have said that there are immense energy and greenhouse gas problems confronting us. I do not know the answers. I have tried to stimulate discussion in an attempt to arrive at those answers.

Now we can try to educate ourselves on the alternatives so that we can arrive at an informed opinion, or we can just cling to preconceived notions according to our prejudices. That is up to us.

And that is all I want to say.



Edited by snowy on Wednesday 17 January 2007 at 4:38 AM
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• Thursday 18 January 2007 - And thank you for trying, Snowy.

Posted by tinacee
As you said on your own blog, substantially we do agree.
Forgive me if I'm taking liberties... but this is what I see.

Solar on it's own is not viable for the entire country (I'll concede that point)... at the moment. We also agree that we have to do something about our current power usage and where it comes from... and soon. We should bring in some type of renewable energy (or energies) to supplement our current form of generating power. That nuclear power is not the best option... but that in the end we probably will have to accept it. And we also agree that with our current government it's highly unlikely that any 'green' energy will be widely accepted in the near future unless (as Gryph pointed out) it can be made profitable.

What I don't like is the idea that our fellow Aussies are being pushed blindfolded into something that the majority really have no idea about. Worse is the idea that they may just concede defeat and accept this horrible power alternative, just because they think that their voices might not be heard. It frustrates me no end... kinda like the way you felt at the time of the 'no' vote, I imagine.

I don't know what our few little words can do to change the direction of the tide, but I do believe that we need to try. And I believe discussion between friends who don't completely agree is the best way to come to any solution. Like you, I was also hoping that we could generate some discussion on the subject. That we could not only pass some ideas between ourselves, but the rest of the community too. I must admit that I wonder whether those who have read this entry will think a little harder about my tack on the subject. Then the vain part of me wonders how much of an impact my words have made. I'd like to think that people have taken the discussion further than their computer screens... discussing it with friends at the pub, or with family around the dining table, for instance. Judging by the amount of hits that I received on my blog yesterday (much higher than usual), we've been successful in generating some interest on the subject... at least a little bit.

Ok, so we might not have come up with a good solution in the last 24 hours, but a few of us have had a bit of a rant and a bit of a think... and with any luck we've made a few others think too. Wouldn't it be good if something either of us said could change the tide? We'd be heroes.

There goes the head, swelling up like a balloon... I think I need a lie down now.

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• Thursday 18 January 2007 - I'd still like to run with clean coal. if it is at all possible.

Posted by snowy
If for no other reason than the economic impact of closing all our coal mines would be devastating to a lot of people. Little people. And they're the ones I care about.

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• Thursday 18 January 2007 - Clean coal...

Posted by plonka
Unfortunately Snowy, it's not possible. Sure, you can clean the exhaust created by burning the coal, but you can't have clean coal.

I agree that it takes energy to create hydrogen, but then it takes a lot more energy and a hell of a lot more man power and infratructure to get coal out of the ground. Dogs have their day Snowy, but dogs with no tails have weak-ends...

That said however, I'm not really trying to poo-poo the whole "clean" idea, just the slant that Johnny likes to put on it that it seems a lot of people like to agree with. I do agree that it's a better solution than the dirty processes we currently use, but I also have to agree with Tina. Many years ago, we set fire to gas to make light, now we set fire to gas to make electricity to make light. I have faith that a solution will be found. In the mean time? Well I guess I'll side with Snowy and say lets burn that filthy coal, but spend the extra money cleaning the exhaust and finding somehow and somewhere to store the resultant CO2...
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• Thursday 18 January 2007 - Clean coal

Posted by snowy
I just read this, plonka,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_capture_and_storage

and am not very optimistic about it as a solution, either.

I don't know where we go from here. I really don't.
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• Thursday 18 January 2007 - Energy...

Posted by plonka
Yep. It also requires more energy which means more money...... Hadn't got that far. I'm still trying to convince people that "clean coal" doesn't mean that coal is clean...

There's no doubt, it's a conundrum of the highest order. Still, like I said, I have faith that a solution will be found. We're a tenacious bunch and if we keep the topic alive, well....

There's a group in Melbourne who say they've come up with a very cheap and efficient way to make hydrogen (saw it on Sunrise a few weeks back), but I can't find a link...Damn... So at this stage, I can't say that hydrogen's a viable answer either.....

I don't think anyone knows where to go with it at this stage Snowy, that's why we need to keep having these debates. Besides, they're fun...:)
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• Thursday 18 January 2007 - Clean coal

Posted by snowy
I always understood that clean coal was more than washing the coal, Plonka. I guess I have to still pin my hopes on it. Otherwise, I can't see any alternative to nuclear, and that depresses me.

I just read the following in Crikey. I don't know if he knows what he's talking about, or not:

Mike Martin writes: Richard Farmer might explain that the hydrogen economy is not a "vision thing" but a "mirage thing" (yesterday, item 11). Yes, hydrogen gas is a clean fuel, but it is expensive to store and transport and, more importantly, it does not exist on Earth. It has to be manufactured. The most cost-effective method currently is by steam reforming of methane (from natural gas). This process liberates the carbon dioxide that would be produced if the gas were otherwise burned, and wastes about a third of the gas's energy content. Hydrogen can also be produced (far more expensively) by decomposition of water, using electricity generated by wind farms or other renewable energy sources. It may, in the long term, be a viable intermediate form of energy storage for vehicles, but it is not obviously superior to biodiesel or ethanol manufactured from crops. But this won't stop the Prime Minister. He will be ready, when the truth eventually emerges, to swear that, "I wasn't told".


Edited by snowy on Wednesday 17 January 2007 at 9:17 PM
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• Thursday 18 January 2007 - Standard Fare

Posted by tinacee
We'd expect that from Little Johnny though, wouldn't we? Even if we sent him a personal e-mail outlining all of it, he 'wouldn't see it'. It's what he does best... not knowing things.

Why do we (not me... just clarifying that) keep voting for a man who thinks he can treat us like idiots? Isn't it his job to find these things out? Shouldn't we insist that he make a truly informed decision on such important issues as this? But he doesn't... he only moves because of someone behind the scenes pulling his strings. And when people ask him to explain himself, why does he refuse to defend his own decisions? "Oooh, that wasn't my fault, I didn't know about that," seems to be his favourite saying. How hard is it to do a little research? (Can you spell G-O-O-G-L-E, Mr Howard?) Does he really prefer to be known as an uninformed idiot? Is that the kind of person we want to make our decisions for us? It doesn't make me feel any confidence towards the government. I don't want to trust my children's health, wealth and security to the fools that are in office. And I certainly don't want him to make any decisions on what is or is not safe, either. As a general rule... if he thinks it's a good idea, it's crap!

Isn't it about time that we Australians kick this government out and find ourselves a bunch of people who are prepared to stand up and explain their decisions... and someone who has the balls to stand up to all of those big businesses that would gain by introducing nuclear. After all... there really are only two reasons to want it here now... money and political backing. It's all about what they believe is best for the small (and rich) minority (many of them multi-national) rather than real Australians. It should be about what WE, the majority want, should it not?

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• Thursday 18 January 2007 - Research...

Posted by plonka
Ah, but Johnny has done his research. He's obviously spent quite some time reading Machiavelli and Sun Tzu. Sun Tzu was very clever. If you can find "The Art Of War" (no, you can't have my copy) have a look at a little thing called "deniable accountability". You will also find it in "The Prince" (Machiavelli). It's almost spooky. Half of Johnny's rhetoric comes straight from those chapters...

What you do is, you ask your aids nothing. They will come to you and say that they've discovered something and explain just exactly what it is they've discovered or learned and exactly how it works and what it means. Then they ask you if you want to know about it. If you say "yes", then you've officially been iformed. If you say "no", then you haven't.

He's not just treating us like idiots Tina, it's much worse than that. He's playing us for the idiots we are.......:(

Thanks to this little discussion though, I had to go brush up on my hydrogen production stuff. I have to say first though, that I understand completely what you're saying Snowy. I would be surprised, shocked even, given your background, if you didn't know a thing or two about burning coal and generating energy. You've already set me straight once (thermal generators) remember...:)

Now, to hydrogen. This one's a Powerpoint presentation, sorry about that but it's a good presentation that shows the pros and cons quite well I thought...

http://www.greenfleet.com.au/uploads/pdfs/DMF%20Presentation%20-%20M%20Kentzler.pdf

Now, if you need something to lull you off to sleep tonight, here's a paper from CSIRO that really is quite good. It discusses how to use sunlight to make hydrogen and make it commercially viable at the same time. It even gets into the type of solar array you need. Good stuff.

(ooooops... ummm here's the link...)

http://www.tip.csiro.au/IMP/EnergySustain/HydrogenProduction/papers/Glasscocketal2005.pdf

But hydrogen production has only been being researched since the 70's. More time is what's required, that's all......(says he hoping fervently...:))


Edited by plonka on Thursday 18 January 2007 at 12:54 AM
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• Thursday 18 January 2007 - The profit motive

Posted by snowy
I've been thinking about that, gryphonn. It seems to me that if the renewable options were attainable, then some venture capitalist would have jumped on the renewable band wagon ages ago. While they might not be environmentalists, they do understand profit, and the rewards would be massive for someone who could deliver the goods. Finally, the world has come to accept that global warming is a fact, so there is a massive pot of gold waiting there for someone who can deliver an environmentally acceptable energy solution.

The same applies to the incentive to overcome the coal and nuclear problems, although if the energy entrepeneurs think they can still maximise profits by doing nothing, then that is exactly what they will do.

I'm feeling rather despondent about the outcome at the moment, and fear that it will be nuclear. And yes, Tina, a change of government may help, although I'm not even convinced of that, even with current ALP policy. Unless there is a breakthrough with clean coal, then I think it will have to be nuclear, which I agree is a very dangerous path to go down. And if little lapdog Johnny wants to build one in his backyard, then that just may be poetic justice if it ever spews radioactive poison back at him.

Unless Plonka can invent something with hydrogen. So stop wasting time on whitepage, and get cracking!!!!

And roll on, Friday night....


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• Thursday 18 January 2007 - Goodness Me...

Posted by chica
...hard to get a word in edgewise here, I fear. But I did hear one quite enlightened comment - not sure who from - along the lines of: " We should hope that when 1.5bn Chinese people come home at night and turn on the lights, that they are not using power that is coal generated". Visit China and that will swim into perspective. But the answer is - buggered if I know!
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• Tuesday 22 January 2008 - Clean Coal v Nuclear v something a lot better

Posted by Strangely Perfect
The thing is that there is plenty of readily available energy for everyone in the world to share. 92 million miles away there's a continuous H-bomb going off which plasters the earth with the stuff. The laws of thermodynamics say that energy is neither created or destroyed - it's converted from one form to another.
Nature has done half the job for us in that it makes waves and wind from the energy of the sun's H-bomb. We can extract that energy and also, if we wanted, we could collect the spare heat with heat collectors and the spare light with photocells using current technologies. The economies of scale would see the unit cost for world-wide implementation plummet.
For transport we should use energy derived from but not necessarily using, electricity. Batteries and fuel cells are dangerous red herrings also. In fact, if people set their minds to converting all the suns energy to electricity instead of looking at the other red herrings of biofuels, coal,nuclear etc which are all temporary fixes, then we'd be a lot better off. The use of fuel from human food should be especially discouraged. The mere concept of it is bad,bad,bad.
Electricity has three benefits:
We've been handling it for over 100 years.
It's easily transportable with wires.
We can make anything from electricity...think about it.... gold, diamonds, computers, cars, food, bricks, pottery, ....

For portable energy (transport) we need to convert electricity into something. I like the air-powered car idea (look it up with the name Guy Negre). Also, hydrogen can be made from electricity and water etc. Although compressed tanks of the stuff seem a bit dodgy and metal hydride technology is overkill for a simple problem.

How to store all the electricity that will be needed? Simple; pump water up a hill and store the water in reservoirs. This is tried and tested technology. We just need to make a lot more. For the UK, at current energy consumption we'd need about three times as many. When electricity is needed, let it out, just like now, through generators. It'll go along the wires to where it's needed with minimum interaction (it's called a switch ;-) )

In short, the sooner we start doing these things and try to save our precious chemical feed-stocks for non-energy and non-transport uses, the better. After all, it took about 300 million years of sunlight to make all our fossil fuels. To burn them up in 300 years is foolish in the extreme.
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And here's my old mate the roo again
The things we do...
Russell
Mt. Etna Family Open Day
Procoptodon Goliah
One for Gabby.
Aah... autostitch...
Gracie's Tree
Mooooooooooo!
Boys and their toys, eh?
Thunderbox with a View
House Fall Down
Strawberry Fields Forever
Soulmates
Now we're getting closer...
Kelvin the Kookaburra
Rainbows in the Fog.
Something just a little bit different
Red-Backed Wrens
Wedge-Tailed Eagle Art.
Now, listen up kiddies...
A good man
10 000.... and still going strong.
No personal information, please.
Brrrr, it's cold out there.
All the little birdies...
Some cute kitty photos....
Opening Soon!
Photos of my Willy
Cattle and their Egrets.
100th Post... Yaaayyy !!
Dattle Dawgs
Almost ready...
Lorikeets in the African Tulip
More photos
A bit of a break...
The Chat Room
They're going to take over the world.
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