11/4/2008 - Ebay now forces all sellers to ONLY use paypal.
I got 3 emails all at once today, all about just how fucking scummy ebay has become.
"Tragic! How Tragic" I said... : )
"Looks like the maggots are imploding, are you the guy who was on today
tonight recently?
http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,23516608-5005962,00.html
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Finally after 6 years they do this to me.
http://pages.ebay.com.au/useprotection/changes.html
I hate them.
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Great site.
Are you now aware that those bastards are making Paypal COMPULSORY? They can put their site well and truly where it belongs on that basis
Regards,
A similarly pissed-off ex-Ebay customer
This is the kind of stuff they - Ebay are now coming out with:
First a word from Ebays Lawyers.... In Straya. (Australia)
http://pages.ebay.com.au/useprotection/fees.html
A message from our lawyers
eBay is not providing financial advice to you. The PayPal service is provided by PayPal Australia Pty Limited (ABN 93 111 195 389) which holds an Australian Financial Services Licence, number 304962. eBay is an authorised representative of PayPal for the purpose of promoting PayPal and is not acting as your agent. You should consider the Financial Services Guide and Product Disclosure Statement before deciding to sign-up for or use the PayPal online payment service at https://www.paypal.com.au.
PayPal Buyer Protection and PayPal Seller Protection are also subject to the terms and conditions in PayPal's User Agreement, incorporating the Buyer Protection policy and Seller Protection policy which include details on eligibility criteria and the discretionary nature of the Policies.
This bit gets up my nose - this kind of "ultimatum" dressed as a "choice" style of shit always does:
You should consider the Financial Services Guide and Product Disclosure Statement before deciding to sign-up for or use the PayPal online payment service
The lard arse legalese speak means if you don't use paypal, then you can't buy or sell on Ebay - so therefore the Ebay arm twisting is not really leaving one in a position to make a decision based on choices - much like much like the option of going sky diving with THIER parachute or going sky diving WITHOUT any parachute.
It's either you accept Ebays bullying, and use their own inhouse - and very disreputable, dishonest and piss poor customer service - from the vertically intergrated Ebay company called Paypal (=$$$$$), or you don't get no sell or no buy on Ebay.
All I can say is,
"Dog terds frosted with icing sugar, are still dog terds."
This is the some of the shit from the ebay website.
* FREE eBay and web payment tools
* FREE anti-fraud systems
* NO monthly fee
* NO setup fee
* NO gateway fee
PayPal is FREE to use if you are sending payments or making purchases within Australia.
If you are selling items or receiving money with PayPal there is a fee. But these fees are affordable, making PayPal a cost-effective way to manage your sales and save you time.
If you are selling a lot of items you may be eligible for a fee discount.
Fees for receiving payments in Australia:
Monthly transaction volume Price per transaction
AU $0.00 - $5,000 2.4% + AU $0.30
AU $5,000.01 - $15,000 2.0% + AU $0.30
AU $15,000.01 - $150,000 1.5% + AU $0.30
AU > $150,000 1.1% + AU $0.30
Note: A monthly transaction volume equals total transactions generated from both eBay.com.au sales and your own website to the same PayPal account. There is also a fee of $1 for withdrawing funds of less than $150 to your bank account.
Find out more about PayPal fees in Australia
Find out more about international PayPal fees.
I'd be really interested in some other owners of other online auctions doing a PRICE / PAY COMPARISON as to the cost of making a $100 sale on their wbsites, vs. the crap that ebay is spouting on their website.
I have chosen $100 as a nice round simple to work with figure.... instead of abstract item specific prices - you know $100 so therefore $10 is 10% of that...
I'd like you to supply me with a simple 3 or 4 column table with 1/2 a dozen rows in it... (or similar)
Please contact me to get this up, and I'd really like to challenge ebay pricing policies over this. Why? Cause I don't believe them.
I don't believe anything they have to say, about any of what they force you to use, that belongs to them, and is specifically designed to divert money from everyone else (banks and postal services etc.), into their pockets, via their payment service.
http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,23516608-5005962,00.html
PayPal only option for eBay trading
By Andrew Ramadge, Technology Reporter
April 10, 2008 01:01pm
- eBay Australia users to be forced into company's PayPal tool
- Buyer protection plan limit to be raised from $3000 to $20,000
- Technology: Read more news and reviews in our tech section »
EBAY Australia users will be forced to use the company's online commerce website PayPal under new security measures prohibiting direct deposit and money orders as payment methods.
From June, all items on eBay Australia will have to be paid for online using a PayPal account or a Visa or Mastercard transaction through PayPal. Buyers will still be able to pay for an item with cash if they are picking it up in person.
PayPal, which is owned by eBay, charges a fee of between 1.1 and 2.4 per cent per credit card payment, which will be collected on top of existing charges to list and sell items through the auction website.
eBay trust and safety director Alastair MacGibbon said forcing PayPal to "stand in between buyers and sellers" would reduce the likelihood of conflict and increase consumer confidence.
"eBay is no longer willing to stand aside and allow payment methods on the site that are proven to be less safe for consumers," he said.
"You're four times less likely to have a problem on eBay if you pay with PayPal than, say, if you used internet banking."
Mr MacGibbon said he expected a "small but vocal minority" of users to oppose the changes, which will force all eBay Australia sellers to use a PayPal account.
"There are always some people who take a while to accept change," he said.
"Most sellers already have a PayPal account. If you've been a new seller for the last year and a half you've had to be offering PayPal anyway in your listings."
But boosting buyer confidence would stimulate activity and ultimately benefit sellers, and eBay, Mr MacGibbon said.
"By reducing the likelihood of things going wrong and by increasing buyer confidence there will be a stimulus to the five or so million eBay users in Australia," he said.
"If it's good for buyers, it's good for sellers and therefore good for eBay."
The changes also include an increase to the PayPal Buyer Protection scheme claim limit for Australian users, from $3000 to $20,000.
Mr MacGibbon said figures for how many people had accessed the protection fund in Australia were not available.
"Clearly it's discretionary... (but) you don't have a buyer protection program in place that you don't intend to pay out," he said.
International eBay sites would monitor the changes made in Australia and decide whether to follow suit, Mr MacGibbon said.
All items listed on eBay Australia must offer PayPal as a payment method by May 21, while payment methods such as direct deposit and money orders will be banned from
Links
eBay Australia – http://www.ebay.com.au/
PayPal – http://www.paypal.com.au/
Ebay - on Today tonight - Ebay's PR man, Alistar McGibbon talks out his arse - blows smoke rings too.
A Dr Susan Forward - in her book Toxic Parents, wrote this test to discern the crazy making parents from the useful and sane parents.
"Do their words and their actions match?".
Paypal in any sense of the word is totally shit.
Ebays customer service - fuck off.
I like my parables.... I can understand some one driving over to pick me up and having a delay, say if an aircraft falls out of the sky and crashs on their car, leaving only a huge 50 meter wide crater in the ground.....
So they call me to say they are running late...
But Ebay and Paypal - it's like having a sleazy person taking 5 weeks 77 phone calls that are never answered and I get nothing but excuses from the answering machine - trying to explain their absenteeism and all they have to do is drive all of ONE block down the street.
They have a car, it works and they can drive - they just ain't arriving.
What the management of Ebay and Paypal promise and what they deliver - doesn't match.
Alastair Mcgibbon - feel free to call me - come over and entertain me some by blowing smoke rings out your arse.
I'd pay a dollar - but only through paypal of course, because you tell me I have too - where this $1 will get lost and stolen, my account frozen and the money never recovered - even after 500 dead air emails.....
Yeah I'd pay a dollar to see Alastair blow smoke rings out his arse - but honestly - boxes of rotten vegetables are cheaper and easier to get hold of.
See the crux of this, from my position and experience, is that McGibbon - is denying HIS OWN and EBAYS and PAYPALS own responsibility for dealing with problems, and for NOT providing any customer service and for their seriously fucking lots of people around REALLY REALLY BADLY - including stealing their money, freezing their paypal accounts, not delivering on some cleverly worded promise of buyer protection..... and all the lying, buck passing and running around - this clown is bullshitting his way out of everything, and he is putting all their responsibility for their fuckups and bad management and pure dishonesty - back on to the consumer.
Alistair McGibbon is lying his way out of the whole situation.
He is making THE PROBLEMS that they create for you, into being both YOUR FAULT and YOUR RESPONSIBILITY.
This is just typical of the fucking bullshit that comes from the people who manage ebay, and they won't take responsibility for any of it.
Then they turn around and say, "Oh by forcing you to use ONLY our financial payment service, that has NO banking regulations and legal protections, that will increase the amount that we can rip you off by, then you will be SAFER and HAPPIER..."
Fucking horse shit.
Paypal is not financially regulated like the banks are, they fuck up and steal / seize peoples money regularly, all the profits from the transaction are now tripple dipping into their pockets, and when things do go wrong - you don't have a fucking leg to stand on..
And they will do nothing except fuck you around, by not doing anything and abdicating all responsibility for their actions.
Alastair McGibbon and his "Oh bullshit, bullshit, bullshit " spiel - is an example of this.....
"Oh if you only follow the online rules" - the rules they created on their own websites, with their own transactions via ebay and paypal, through their own payment system - which immediately cease to get any effect or any response when Ebay and Paypal fuck it all up.
Like I said:
Fuck Ebay.
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