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Friday, August 28, 2009 - eBay Silences Founding 'Voices' Members - the Feedback Part 04.

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by: fruity
Sun Aug 23 15:10:31 2009
and its my personal opinion that AB needs to start showing how these are systemic to a bigger issue. or at the very least, start keeping a running scorecard of who benefits and who doesn't from these changes and issues.

these are just vignettes
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by: John
Sun Aug 23 15:41:00 2009
Fruity...perhaps the best thing to do is to file a complaint right here on AB. There are a lot of people out here who do complain and many may not know how or what to say in a formal complaint. My suggestion is to write a formal complaint and post it here with the appropriate info for people to find where to send it to. They can then copy the complaint and sign it, and send it off. JMO.
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by: Harriet
Sun Aug 23 16:12:39 2009
eBay Ink is reading this blog because they (eBay execs) are concerned about what is being said by the posters to the articles. It puts them in a very bad light for the most part.

The important thing is that they are reading things here. That cannot be denied. :)

The more they write about it, the more this blog gets read and noticed. So, please Richard, continue to write about what's going on here. A little publicity never hurts, unless you are eBay.
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by: Ming the Merciless
Sun Aug 23 17:04:18 2009
@ fruity

The media writes about ebay issues that affect ebay when ebay sends them canned press releases. Google. for example, has a newsfeed everyday with ebay related articles many of which do indeed reference sellers.

If sellers send these online publications emails or make telephone calls to tell them ebay is planning a phony, drummed up media campaign by carefully selected propagandist sellers, then perhaps these ebafia articles and blogs would be more balanced.

Why not offer to be a spokesperson for the truth as we see it? Email them your selling credentials, email address, and telephone number (particularly if you no longer sell on ebay). Or in lieu of this, refer them to Ina and David or to Rosalinda at Auctionguild.com. Rosalinda has been a giant is exposing ebay what precisely what it is for many years and that includes the monster that Neg Meg Whitman created to enhance her wealth.

Ebafia plans to flood the media with these phony, bought and paid for stories to create a heckler's veto so we won't be heard.

This was just a suggestion how to mitigate its impact.
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by: Ming the Merciless
Sun Aug 23 17:18:30 2009
No thinking, rational human being could possibly believe that Richard Brewer-Hay's pro corporatist blog represents mainstream ebafia user thought.

In addition to Brewer-Hay's rather thin resume and less than mediocre writing abilities, it's crucial to keep in mind that ebafia hired him to disseminate ebafia propaganda, keep the natives tranquilized, and to spread disinformation/misinformation whenever useful to ebafia.

Brewer-Hay was NOT hired to act as a go-between sellers and management. He was NOT hired to act as a blogging, seller advocate without a propaganda radio show. He was NOT hired to provide a blogging adjunct to the discussion boards where some truth could be posted.
He was NOT hired to be fair, impartial, or even truthful.

Don't even bother posting there. This blog and others like it that are independent of ebay censorship have far, far more credibility than a group of bent over ebafia cheerleaders sending kisses to each other or phony disagreements and complaints on The Ho's blog.

Stop blogging there. Don't participate on ebafia boards -- Auctionbytes has great boards. I refuse to participate even on on my pristine, ebay cookie free computer.

Let these phony discussion sites die of boredom just like the marketplace is.
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by: matza
Sun Aug 23 17:22:01 2009
I will only shop on ebay because best match is the greatest shopping tool ever invented.

hahahahaha ya right put that down in the most ridiculous quotes of all time book.

Sad irony is all these nonsensical changes in some way lead back to best match and the bogus reward garbage all linked to best match which knowingly no buyer with larger than a pea brain would ever use best match to find an item. Yet the brainiac Donohoe has chosen that as his default sort of choice which ensures the buyers that don't know better, don't sign in or aren't accustomed to ebay have no idea and exit after NOT being best matched. Hence overall site wide slumping sales and traffic since it's release.

My kids were ebay addicts and bought everything they needed usually on ebay at a good price. I remember the week best match started my son said Mom whats wrong with ebay?

I said what do you mean and he said I don't know but it sucks it seems like nobody is selling anything good anymore. I later learned he was stuck on the best match joke.

Like having your mommy dress you in Pink huh JD?
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by: Ming the Merciless
Sun Aug 23 18:03:24 2009
Apparently your IP ISN'T blocked.

Your IP number wouldn't happen to be in San Jose, would it? I seem to a recall a post last year by the now fired former head of the PR department Jose Mallabo that was raw and disgusting, and even that wasn't removed. David simply very effectively called him out.

But earlier this year someone sounding suspiciously like Mallabo used some very inapproproate language here, and that post was removed and, IMO, for good reason.

Please don't stop posting here. Every blog needs its useful idiots.

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by: Ming the Merciless
Sun Aug 23 18:27:45 2009
Well, LOL, while your IP number apparently isn't blocked, your two posts were indeed removed.

There've been hundreds of pro ebay posts here that haven't been removed so apparently you earned whatever punishment has been meted out by some extra vile bad behavior.

I'll miss your posts, though. You made the rest of us look so much smarter.
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by: Jo
Sun Aug 23 18:44:27 2009
Silence is Golden
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by: J
Sun Aug 23 18:59:18 2009
"I will only shop on ebay because best match is the greatest shopping tool ever invented."

Did someone actually write that? Dang I always miss the good stuff that would make me laugh and laugh.
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by: summer in the city
Sun Aug 23 19:56:54 2009
''I will only shop on ebay because best match is the greatest shopping tool ever invented.''

Somebody actually meant that? Seriously? LOL

Best Match has Donahoe's cooties all over it, so it will stay there as long as he does. Other sites are growing fast, and that flipping point is approaching when they'll get more hits than Ebay.

Thanks, Donahoe, for changing the face of e-commerce: we have so many more choices now ;-) That sunny day is coming, the day one good auction venue starts up, and that's the day you're finished.
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by: ex powerseller in recovery
Sun Aug 23 20:42:24 2009
Summer, so true, I love Love Love selling stuff on Ecrater FOR FREE & Bonanzle for barely anything. My favorite part is when an ex Ebayer buys & tells me they don't shop there anymore because of forced paypal & best match.
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by: Martin
Sun Aug 23 21:26:35 2009
Wow I have to say, I just read some 140 plus posts and its been an interesting thread.

So here is what I have to say..

Obviously people care about ebay because if they didnt they wouldnt be so upset. When you really dont care you ignore it.

You seem misdirection and missed opportunities. So do I.

The only difference is some of you choose to make it personal and insult some of the same people that are on your side. And others , like me, perhaps living in a dream world think that by taking the high road and teaming up with others with brains we can make some kind of a difference.

Sure I might be wrong, but it makes a lot more sense to channel energy to be constructive rather than destructive. So many people have emailed me from here and a WSJ article its making my head spin. But everyone has good points and info to offer.

All your complaints are nothing compared to the real info and data I can spit out that prove this company has been heading downhill for 3 years. I do this regularly to everyone at Ebay who will listen. But not in a way where I call them names, blame them, accuse them of all kinds of things but as someone concerned that they are not picking up on what they should be. The most telling data piece is that in March of 2006 , 41% of Ebays users were active *bought , sold or listed an item in the prior 12 months* . Now that number is only 18%.

I hammer these things home with these guys all the time.

I have pushed for a local site expansion for 4 years. Ebay announced a plan at EBay Live -Boston, then shelved it (As far as I can tell)

The local market has exploded in this time period and Google is now local indexing as well.

People are not stupid, this site has a lot of potential and everyone knows it.

As for JD, I really dont know. I think he is following his style of doing things and perhaps another quarter or two of tough times will bring him closer to the issues. Maybe he is trying to do that now I just dont know. Never met him, blew a chance to a few months back.

The thing is to pick on Voices members, the Voices team at Ebay, or eBay employees is like shooting the fireman putting out the fire at your house. These are the good people TRUST ME.

Ive had Ebay employees come up to me at Ebay Live or in person events and say "Im glad you said what you did" or "I agree with you" or "we read everything you post on the boards"

These are good people, they are there within this company working to do their best. Sure they need their jobs and have to tow the line , but dont we all in life at times?

The key is to empower them the right way. You might not think its possible but I do.

I always think of one person in particular at Ebay. Very high up, who never fails to return an email from me. Always caring and thoughtful and as smart as they come.

This is not just JD's company, and even he might change, the key is to make them understand the complex dynamic which built this company which is now working in reverse to dismantle it.

In invite anyone to email me. Positive or negative, if you have info or thoughts Id like to hear them .

Marty
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by: matza
Sun Aug 23 22:23:37 2009
@marty

There is a few easy simple things they can do immediately.

End best match, stop the discrimination and seller favoritism. Equality is much needed and I suggest they embrace it. Long time sellers with a history shouldn't be treated like beggars and  thieves.
Something has to be done about the scam buyers that seems to be growing rapidly. The original feedback system seemed much better suited for a site like ebay but if they aren't willing to let any buyers receive negatives they should at least give them some sort of claims filed limit or something.

knocking sellers out of business using  an anonymous star rating system that is flawed is kind of ridiculous. Wouldn't be so bad if the threshold of error wasn't 0.50% but at that rate I don't feel confident in sinking major capitol in merchandise to sell when I can be stuck with it due to any little mistake that may happen. 

Donohoe is supposed to be in charge so I'm blaming the decline entirely upon him. I always did terrific on ebay until he took over. From then on it's been a steady decline.

I also always cared about feedback and didn't need any carrot or threats to make me fall in line. Feedback was so easy to judge back then too. Now you have all these mega sellers that suck at customer service, half the time you don't get what you order and have to wait for weeks to be refunded. I'm currently waiting for my second paypal refund on an order. Both orders were placed with large mega sellers who don't even own or have the merchandise they have listed.

NOT GOOD
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by: Daddy Bear Griff
Sun Aug 23 22:52:55 2009
According to Griff, the 2000+ negatives received by Buy are not "important statistically, expressed as a percentage of their sales". Yeah, maybe not, but they are pissing off good customers by never having what's ordered in stock. That's 2000+ users that may never use Ebay again. I'd ask Griff today, what about Ebay's new policy that you can only offer an item on Ebay, when the Doggy Diamonds list on their own site & Ebay simultaneously?

And if Ebay wants us to live & die by feedback from unverified users, I hope they are prepared for the restraint of trade cases when it's proved malicious bidders are hurting sellers. Especially after user info is pulled, and it's something even a moron can figure out is wrong, like 1234567890 as a phone number, which I've seen twice. Can't these idiots that are screwing up search figure out a way to blockk false Ids? I wonder if Uncle Griff or Lorrie, or any other Ebay employees(they have to mention they are Ebay employee in listing, so it's easy to find them) had a rash of unverified bidders back out, or even better pay & leave negative f/b, and all 1s how fast things would change.
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by: Jo
Sun Aug 23 23:11:11 2009
Griff has no idea what he is talking about. Statistically it may seem irrelevant but it is far from that. currently buys FB averages out to about 1 neg per 300 feedbacks. However it is the overall amount that people see when they look over a sellers profile. If you average out buys sales and feedback with say a small seller who has the same percentage over say a year of selling The smaller seller will look better each and every time.

If a smaller seller has 300 sales & 1 neg in a year they look much better then buy who has say 2245 negs and 675,000 sales in a year. Personally If I had to buy on eBay I would buy from a small seller each and every time, and would never even remotley consider buying from sellers such as Buy, Smartbargains or Shoplet. Its a no brainer 
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by: Flower
Sun Aug 23 23:32:30 2009
@Marty
No disrespect or personal insult intended, but your posts lost their luster long ago. Now all I see in them is mind numbing, ever scrolling meaningless nothingness. I would bet my life I am not alone. Sorry.

At what point do you throw in the towel and admit that using ebay is unstable, unwise, unrealistic, unfeasible in too many ways to enumerate? It is not a viable option for either the pro or hobby seller, serious or casual buyer IMO. It has been increasingly worse for a 2-3 years if not more.
Will you go down with the ship, still waving your pom-poms?

If you have so many facts, why not present them to the general populace in a factual, non biased way? All of them, not just a teaser.

I started getting out of there in 2006 when things started looking more like ownership than "just a venue".
Happy to report that with 2 websites featuring samples and contact info, my 'little thing" is thriving like it never did on ebay, at a fraction of the cost, time, effort, and hassle that ebay/paypal was. The independence is priceless.
Ebay was like training wheels for e-commerce for me. There is a world-wide-web out there. Ebay is only a very small part of it.
I should mention that I already had built the biz IRL before ebay existed. Depending on them for anything was a mistake, in hindsight.

As for the other ebay alleged shills/fanbois. Why do you all let them get you worked up? Aren't you falling right into their plans by even acknowledging  and/or responding?
Don't allow these hooligans to steer or influence your conversations in any way.

Instead, even now when I see that type of thing going on,it serves to inspire me to spread a bit of truth and facts about ebay in real life.
Really all it takes is a sour face and a grimacing "eeewwwww" whenever ebay is mentioned, perhaps mention of ID theft, scams, virus trojans etc and I can be sure they won't be going there. Ever.
Negative word-of-mouth is much more powerful than ebay's propaganda and diversion trolls. Keep that in mind people.

The loudest voices ebay (management) is hearing nowadays are only in their heads.

Ming, again, point us all to your blog please.
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by: Jo
Sun Aug 23 23:58:09 2009
If people here want to get an idea of who the diamond sellers may be it is safe to say just check out uncle_griff's feedback profile because he is buying from them. I guess  jd has  issued his ruling to have the employee's do a good deal of their purchasing from them.....It also keeps the diamonds feedback percentage per sale looking better.

uncle_griff


http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.d
ll?ViewFeedback2&userid=uncle_griff&ftab=AllFeedback


Now lets see Marty wants us to embrace the employee's and that they are our friends. The only thing I have heard from them is an occasional we hear you or we are on your side, but nothing else.
Personally I think they are just worried about their jobs and nothing more. Speaking of eBay employee's here are two links for one. They take paper payments in categories not allowed by eBay..The first link shows 8 listings by this seller to which he takes paper payments and states he is an ebay employee in the communication paragraph...now the second link has 540+  listings to which they state they take paper payments in 2 areas of their listings. Again in categories not allowed for paper....We used tiny urls because each eBay link was over 400 characters long.

http://tinyurl.com/mnlljg

http://tinyurl.com/ldw9j


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by: Martin
Mon Aug 24 00:55:04 2009
Flower here is a post I made on the Wall street Journal article about Skype complaining that the author was giving too rosey a view about Ebay in general... - Marty
(since you asked for more info)

Rumors? How about reading the most recent quarterly report? Or even scrolling down on the WSJ page this article is on about the chance Skype will get shut down? HERE are just SOME figures from the most recent quarterly report..

Net Revenues down 4%
Net Income down 29%
Marketplace Revenues down 14%
Vehicle sales down 32%

And as for those registered user numbers...

Active users edged up from 88.3 to 88.4 million for its lowest gain (100k) in the 4 quarters presented in the release

In the meantime they had to add 37 MILLION new accounts to eak out that 100,000 active user gain. Now according to the data... This is showing incredible user churn.

A full 82% of Ebay's registered users have not "who bid on, bought, listed or sold an item within the previous 12-month period."

I found this troubling as well.. "GAAP operating margin decreased to 19.6% for the quarter, compared to 24.8% for the same period last year" That is a 20% decline in margins!!!!!!

So pretty much every metric possible is flashing serious warning signs and yet the author does not mention one of them?
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by: Ming the Merciless
Mon Aug 24 01:13:40 2009
@ matza

I don't have a blog and won't until I figure out a way to avoid leaving any trail whatsoever.

Please post the user ID of that scum buyer you alluded to yesterday. I want to block him/her asap.

I like your idea! Sellers could quite easily shut down ebay employees who sell. It would take a few dollars and about a week.

People have been telling what Marty claims to be telling ebay for quite some time. Ebay refused to listen in 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, and 2009.

These HO changes are and ALWAYS have been all about the stock price, executive stock options, and executive performance bonuses. It makes NO difference whether the stock belongs to billionaire NEG MEG, The Ho, The No, or the shysters who approve illegal policy changes.

If accurate financials were actually released, the stock would probably plunge below $10 again. But when you only release carefully selected metrics, cooked statistics, and a lapdog media and analyst community, then nobody really looks too closely.

This corporation has now lost significant amounts of money for three consecutive quarters yet their stock has risen and we predictably read that The Ho is "turning things around."

This is because ebafia has intentionally lowballed quarterly guidance so they could crow about beating Caball Street's "expectations' even if they beat expectations aka ebay's lowball guidance figures by an anemic $1.00 per share.

What HONEST analyst or journalist buys into this garbage? Nearly all of them do because they're just as corrupt as the corporations they "analyze" and "report."

They ALL belong in prison.

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by: matza
Mon Aug 24 01:28:12 2009
@ming

sorry there are so many people on my blocked bidder list I don't remember which one he is. It happened 6 months ago and he nor I ever exchanged feedback. He doesn't leave feedback so there is no record of him thanking everyone for all the refunds and free stuff.

New entry on ebay ink blog stating the GM thing is working and is a great success.

Not so according to what the report on cnnmoney.com says.

Now gee which report should I believe the one generated by ebay?
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by: fruity
Mon Aug 24 02:11:53 2009
You ever see those movies where the mobster is getting ready to off someone and the guy sees he has few options and its just a matter of moments. What he always does is say hey, I got information, I can get them to talk, let me do this, they'll speak to me and I'll bring them to you and you'll have the advantage of the important information that you really need.


They only empathize with you when it furthers their agenda and the agenda is about preserving their status and their necks, not yours. And they do that by hanging you out to dry. To get you to think they're your friend, integrate in with the masses, to listen to you, be that shoulder. But when you look at their years of postings, and when they choose to stand up you'll see its very timely. and they always say. I know people, I talk with them, I have information, listen to me. let me be the one to make the call. Hear me, listen to me, pick me, trust me, listen to me, follow me, pick meeeeeeee! lol

but in the end, the gangster rubs him out. Because nobody likes a rat.
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by: fruity
Mon Aug 24 02:34:02 2009
Ming,

testimonials from people who get an indirect or direct incentive to say good things has very little impact. Its disturbing and aggravating but its a little boo boo. There's bigger issues than that. Ebay probably wants sellers to go talk to the media about this because if this is the extent of evil that gets people riled up, surely everything else  minor. That's how I think they respond to sellers.

I have no use for the big media outlets beyond telling the editors about their crummy journalists. I trust ebay more than I trust them!

****
John,
Your post gives me an idea, I think I will run with it.  Express complaint writing. I love it
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by: Ming the Merciless
Mon Aug 24 03:20:54 2009
@ fruity

Ebay has trained the business media to call sellers with legitimate complaints

-- "noise"

-- "disgruntled"

-- "whiners"

-- "losers"

-- "failures"

and so on. In fact they deliberately created positions whose responsibility it is to diminish, insult, and demoralize sellers so they'll leave ebay voluntarily.

Unless counterbalanced, bribed sellers giving glowing testimonials about ebay WILL have an impact, IMO, because ebay will ensure the media and analysts either hear no other voices or demean and degrade those who dare contradict ebay management.

DEATH to ebay corp. in 2009.
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by: Harriet
Mon Aug 24 09:04:07 2009
Martin-

You said, "I hammer these things home with these guys all the time."

You have written a thoughtful and constructive post. However, you are preaching to the choir. From what you have written, it is obvious that you have done your best to make some kind of constructive change, but sadly it has not convinced the most influential people to head the ship off from dangerous waters.

Those who are commiserating with you are merely stroking your ego and giving you an "atta boy".

All you and others who agree with you can do is to keep trying. But I fear that those who have the power to change will never recognize the flaws of the direction eBay has taken.

I think what we all fear is that eBay has gone way too far to ever get back on track.

Understanding this unique and quirky marketplace is not JD's strong suit.

He has missed the mark and alienated too many good people.

It is best to wring as much as you can out of eBay, and make an orderly and planned exit to other venues where it is easier and much more fun to sell. But don't wait until the last minute. Start now and diversify. These things take time, and you want to have a good foundation elsewhere.
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by: Martin
Mon Aug 24 10:07:57 2009
I happen to think the opportunity for change will come as Ebay continues to sputter as a result of the many issues we raised. There will either be a management change or a "seeing of the light"

There are some incorrect statements above, or at least misleading. If Ebay has done all this for "the stock price" then they still failed as its down 60% from when we started sounding alarm bells.

AND, this is despite a 4 BILLION dollar stock buyback program done at the same time insiders have been bailing out.

There are a few other important statistics to keep in mind. Paypal is now only paying .1 percent that is POINT ONE PERCENT on your money. They use to pay 5%. Add that up and figure the effect of that on earnings.

Second, figure the effect of free shipping on GMV . It pushes it higher because prior to this shipping costs were not part of GMV. And it fell 14% anyway despite this.

Also the numbers have been bad for a few years but hidden in the last few years by the effect of the weaker dollar the inflated foreign earnings. I pointed this out on many discussions about Ebay earnings.

Another issue is the massive SKype write off (in the billions) they did a year or so ago? This had the effect of putting tons of loss in one quarter and reducing expenses in future quarters or the numbers would have been even worse.

Ebays profits tumbled despite laying off 10% of its workforce, which is huge for a company like Ebay where workforce numbers are lower per $ of revenue than at many other companies.

The bottom line is sooner or later a new direction will be sought.

About 6 months ago a BusinessWeek reporter wrote a good article on the company. I emailed him and told him about my idea. There was some good interest.

However, even then the hard numbers were just coming in and it was unclear how Ebay's new direction would turn out. Now we have more ammo, way more ammo.

The thing is I am not someone that has to trash a company to make my point and some people dont like that. I have tried to assemble and have assembled people with ideas, some excellent ideas to help this ship right its  course.

I think currently we have about 14-15 solid thoughts on the turnaround plan and I have run these things by many people.

I can tell you quite honestly that there are people within ebay that are awesome people and I can reach at least some of them . But more importantly I want to approach this in a way that doesnt have to trash anyone because you never know who can be your ally.

Take JD for example. I never met him. He might get into a bind as a result of the current course and really down deep be interested in saving his own butt and this company if there were some new ideas that could work.

Maybe not, but what I am saying is at times  there have been people that argued with me constantly from within Ebay that now see my view and are the strongest allies I have.

And after re-reading this thread I have to say.. lay off Garnor and Cheryl in the Voices program because these employees are totally comitted to Voices and go absolutely above and beyond the call of duty to ensure that program continues and thrives. They do what they can within their current framework and have good hearts. I know them both personally.

This is not to say there is no reason for some past Voices members to be upset. Lord knows I have been upset at times, many times. I post how I feel just as  I do here.

I just choose to try to make a difference because in the past I have made a difference. Maybe its harder now, and maybe less people are listening but you have to look at this like resistance movement with tons of allies on the inside.

A team of 40 Ebay employees just established the Green Team (see the home page). In this area they talk about the value of resales vintage items in the Green sense and designed a great area that could gain some traction with buyers and sellers.

The people in Givingworks and WorldofGood and other projects are also committed and wonderful people when you meet  them.

All across eBay there are great minds and caring people.

Id hazard to guess more than half of the people that work there would feel happier if they felt their community was more responsive and active , heck they own stock too, and its gone nowhere making most of their options worthless.

I hope you know how to email me my email is clhct1@aol.com . If anyone wants to stay in touch. I think my Ebay blog I started 4 years ago is linked to my name as well here.

Currently I am not selling a thing on the site, and have sold over 7,000 items over 5 years with a 5000 plus feedback rating. My fees use to be 600-700 a month and might be 30 bucks this month.

I plan to be more active, but for now Im taking a break.

I also lost a lot of energy when eBay canned their local project, and made a lot of changes that in my opinion hurt collectibles sellers. So Im just like many of you.

But attack the problem, not Voices members, Ebay employees or other people that might all think the same.

And I can tell you there are plenty of smart people all around that know what went wrong and how to fix this mess. That is , if there is even time left.

Maybe once I gel all these thoughts I can get INA to post about it as well.

In any case this has been a great discussion.

Marty
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by: ebaystillsux
Mon Aug 24 10:28:32 2009
Geez, Marty. Don't you think that the Voices members who were among the original ones also thought/think they got through to eBay in the past and helped to effect positive changes or stop negative ones?

And where are they now? Outside looking in with all their efforts sneered at by present-day eBay.

I'm talking about Voices members who gave it 10 years of their time. I know at least one who beat his head against eBay's brick wall for years. He advocated for the best interests of both members and eBay itself. I have no doubt that they listened to him at one time.

But NOW they do not care. They don't want his opinion and they don't want yours. There is no eBay Community any more. It's a fantasy and anyone who doesn't see that has his or her head in the clouds.

You may continue to believe that eBay can change into something worth preserving but one thing you cannot change is eBay's abysmal reputation. So why waste your time? It IS possible to have a profitable online presence beyond eBay. Maybe you should face facts and move on like so many others have.

Or channel your energy into something else... advocate for those who have been beat up by this country's present economy. I know that you are interested in that. Do some real good.
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by: Daddy Bear Griff
Mon Aug 24 10:46:32 2009
Marty, you remind me of Griff: "hey bring me your problems" Just another way to silence dissent online & maybe you are just fishing for IDs to report to Ebay. So read the blogs & get your info that way so we can be anonymous, and at the same time keep the noise up.
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by: Flower
Mon Aug 24 11:00:55 2009
@Marty
Thanks for replying. Just the type of thing we wanted to see, somewhat.
I still feel you are perhaps much too attached to ebay despite the fact that you know better than almost anyone the nature of the beast.


@Ming:
Get crackin' !

The rest of you all out there fall in too.
The Sword of Damocles was not tied on with mountaineering rope or bungee cord.
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by: SteveO
Mon Aug 24 12:08:32 2009
Martin was right about something:  "And after re-reading this thread I have to say.. lay off Garnor and Cheryl in the Voices program"

Indeed, They should be shown the door. 

Why?  Because they reflect the current eBay and it's illusion of community.

The Voices program is a perfect reflection of eBay as a whole.  It's now an illusion, using up the last of it's remaining glory. 

That's why the old voices were kicked to the curb- Morontes did his best to manipulate them out of the picture playing games with increased participation and then using the overcrowding that he created as an excuse to do what was clearly the goal all along.   He wished they would have taken the hint so he could have acheived his master's goals with less bloodshed. 

Finally, they don't need to hear how it used to be anymore.

Now that members know they have a short shelf life, I hope they will give up the butt kissing and say what they actually think instead of saying what  will keep them in the program indefinately.

A perfect reflection of eBay, he is not about anything but manipulating the "metrics" to justify and sugar coat the predetermined outcome.

History has shown "doing my job" isn't much of a defense.
 
 
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by: matza
Mon Aug 24 13:50:14 2009
@marty

For cripe sakes it's not rocket science!

They are about to make another change that is going to send more negative shock waves with the new dsr scoring. I suggest they totally scrap that plan immediately before the damage occurs.

Best match is the cause of most of the decline. They changed what people were used to seeing for 12 years and killed auctions.

They made radical changes during a recession. When they should have tread lightly and been happy they were thriving. They are pushing free shipping which raises prices for everything and there are no more deals to be had.

They need to change as much as possible back to the original formula. They need to treat long time sellers better and start limiting what a new account holder can and cannot do.

They need to make buyer claims and complaints filed visible on their feedback pages so there is a public record of problem buyers.

Reverting everything back to how it was would be the ideal scenario if they would like to stay in business. If not than OH well go ahead and keep dying!
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by: ebaystillsux
Mon Aug 24 14:17:46 2009
Time to stop wasting time trying to make Marty see the light beyond eBay. I am convinced he will never get it after seeing his latest comment on the ebaystink blog.

"It is my belief that in the end VOICES will save Ebay from itself. I will certainly do my best to make sure that happens.

In no way will other social media outlets even come close to offering anything Ebay truly needs to stay on course.

As a matter of fact I will bet that within 3 years many of those Voices members “let go” will either be back or ambassadors of the reinvigorated Ebay that found its path back to the greatness it once had.

Marty"

Huh? What planet did that come from?
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by: Ming the Merciless
Mon Aug 24 15:10:03 2009
@ Marty

Q. Do you know how Neg Meg Whitman acquired her $6 BILLION dollar fortune?

A. From selling her ebay stock options!

Q. Can you name the single largest component in The Ho's compensation package?

A. Stock options

IMO, if the ebay's current stock price truly reflected the overall health of the company, it would still be selling below $10 a share.

But as we've pointed out here and elsewhere, ebay did a massive buy back a few weeks ago.

Then as ebay announces a third consecutive disastruous quarter, Caball Street decrees another ebay success because the disaster wasn't as bad as ebay had predicted, Of course ebay lowballed if not falsified its guidance.

Then bingo! The stock begins its miraculous climb to above $20 now.

Granted, it isn't at the $30 something it was several months ago or the $60 something it just a few years ago, but execs need some money and want to sell their stock.

Fruity keeps us appraised of their SEC filings so we know this is true.

Ebay's stock price is a nothing more than an elaborately constructed house of cards that even a slight breeze or a good flashlight will bring down.

So, Marty, would you buy a used share of stock from The Ho?

Ebay is managed strictly for the purpose of raising stock prices TODAY. No ebay management team including the duplicitous Neg Meg Whitman has ever spent as much as two seconds thinking or planning for the long term health of ebay.

There are basically two types of stock investments. The first is buying a stock because you think the stock price will increase significantly in a short period. The second is a long term investment where the stock steadily rises, pays regular quarterly dividends, and makes consistent and orderly gains over several years.

Ebay falls into the first category, and you can see how successful this strategy has been.

Ebay: billions made, not one red cent in dividends paid.

It isn't in management's best compensation package interests to manage the company for long term growth.

Curious, isn't it, that ebay more than doubled its stock price in a few shorts months whiole reporting tremendous losses.

Case closed. It's is and always has been about executive stock prices and stock options.

The only way to end the abuse is to tax executives when they receive the stock not when they sell it.

DEATH to ebay corp. in 2009.

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by: Martin
Mon Aug 24 15:47:23 2009
First lets clear something up, by saying LAY OFF (garnor,cheryl) I meant BACK OFF< leave them alone not LAY THEM OFF!! That is ridiculous.

In any case, look you all might be right. It might be a giant waste of time, it might be too late, it might not matter.

I am also not trying to make light of attempts by other Voices members past and present to help as well. There were great people let go and I didnt like it anymore than you or they did.

I dont claim to have any special powers or to be better than anyone.

I just have some ideas, some connections and I know this site inside out and backwards and know this companies numbers (The public ones).

I certainly dont want to disagree with many of the valid points people make as to why they are so aggravated.

This is indeed the root of the problem. The base has been decimated and negative word of mouth is unraveling this company in the same manner it was built only in reverse.

marty
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by: fruity
Mon Aug 24 16:18:42 2009
hey ebay don't want you so man up and cope. lol.

I say fire them all. If the grunts haven't been able to move it up the food chain, then they're incapable of supporting a selling community. Hey if they want to be your friend, they can tweet. You dont really need to hear their sob story of how they feel you and agree with you. you want results or are you just gonna sit there like seals waiting for a fish.

Best thing sellers can do is treat ebay as the enemy and when they throw those curve balls at your business, you poop in their yard. They live and die with paypal. You bring hell to paypal, you have them on their knees. Just for kicks its totally worth it. lol
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by: Linda
Mon Aug 24 16:21:27 2009
@marty:
"The base has been decimated and negative word of mouth is unraveling this company in the same manner it was built only in reverse."

That is the most pithy summary of the EBay debacle I've seen in a single sentence. Thanks.
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by: fruity
Mon Aug 24 16:21:40 2009
LOL Ming, I dont talk SEC too much cept complaint writing. I read them but I dont understand most of it. I like to learn though because I trade stocks now and then. The stock price doesn't bother me at all because when it dropped below $10 and so did the banks I cleaned up
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by: fruity
Mon Aug 24 16:27:48 2009
oh and another thing, if AB is saying Voices members are going bye-bye and then AB posts an updating and ebay says they are not going away. Then why are the Voices members walking around saying they're gone? Its funny whenever pigpen doom and gloom comes around the topic always suddenly shifts.
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by: fruity
Mon Aug 24 16:29:27 2009
is it because they're not meeting powerseller criteria and they're gone or because ebay really is kicking them to the curb?
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by: Harriet
Mon Aug 24 16:51:06 2009
One of the reasons eBay is different than other companies is that their income was composed of small entrepeneurs who were essentially running their own companies on eBay's venue. eBay didn't and doesn't "own" these companies.

With most corporations, you have a CEO and other lower level managers and you tow the line or else.

But with eBay, the income comes from these people's sales, and if the hierarchy tells folks to leave by forcing them to comply to an ever higher unattainable bar, their income leaves as well.

So JD is trying to manage the company like it was a large corporation, and it isn't working.

The small entrepeneurs are leaving along with their money, plus they are bad-mouthing eBay anywhere they can. They are also determined to continue selling online, and are filling up other venues and bringing their money to the new places.

What JD has had to do to fill this gap is to open up eBay to low level, cheap items and also has had to start dealing with large enterprises who require special deals in order to stay on eBay.

The entire fabric of what was once eBay is almost gone.

I see many, many flaws in the new fabric, and if this experiment doesn't work, there is nothing to fall back on, and eBay will fold.

I am sorry but I don't believe for one minute that all the old time sellers were/are nasty, whining, unwashed, scamming losers.

There were many fine folks who sold happily for a long time on eBay and had many, many repeat, happy customers. 

They are what made eBay what it was.

Yes, things have to evolve and change. But not like this.

This is too over the top, too draconian, and getting worse with each new announcement, and it all to the detriment of sellers who provide the income.

Peculiar and quite twisted.
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by: ebaysucks
Mon Aug 24 18:43:42 2009
Never bite the hand that feeds you eBay!!
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by: Ming the Merciless
Mon Aug 24 21:00:14 2009
@ Harriet

Would you agree that The Ho believes he's woven an entirely new ebay fabric?

What he doesn't understand is that as he weaves the moths soon follow.

He and other CEOs continue to "maximize efficienies" by firing workers.

Who in the world do these B School whiz kids think are going to buy their product or service if most consumers are either grossly underemployed or unemployed?

It doesn't matter whether ebay has 88 88 million registered members or not. What's important is how many users actually visit the site regularly, how long they stay, and how much money they spend.

The fact is that the majority of ebay members haven't logged in the last year, and those who have spend less time and less money than ever before.

I believe many of the brokerages and analysts deliberately choose NOT to see the the facts about ebay because they're receiving some benefit($) for not looking.

If The Ho had been around a few years ago, he probably would have recruited Bernard Ebbers to sell long distance service, Dennis Koslowski to sell home security systems, and auctioned off lunches with Bernie Madoff.

That's just the kind of guy The Ho is.
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by: ebaystillsux
Tue Aug 25 09:09:11 2009
Ming said,

"Who in the world do these B School whiz kids think are going to buy their product or service if most consumers are either grossly underemployed or unemployed?"

The underemployed and the unemployed are not buying on eBay. They are the new ignorant and innocent sellers looking to pay their bills any way they can. They are the ones who don't know that today's eBay won't do that. They only know the old eBay where a 99 cent start price would be bid up to decent numbers.

As soon as they lose their possessions for pennies and get stuck with a seller's bill that only adds to their debts, they will join the ranks of the eBay bashers and spread the word, "Don't do eBay!"

Somehow I doubt if the Ho has even thought of that. Or cares.
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by: Ebay No More
Tue Aug 25 10:00:06 2009
From the few positive responses on this thread it appears very few people care about this Ebay decision. First we lost Ebay employees from the seller support divisions. Then Ebay Live went poof. Now original Voice members are shown the door.

Ebay is drawing everyone a road map and if you continue to use Ebay as a seller you better be a large company. Anyone bother to read the feedback profiles on Ebay's newest Diamond sellers? They are not delivering the expected excellent transactions that Ebay had hoped. Anymore I don't care enough to rant and rave. Apathy and boredom are as much as I can muster when it comes to Ebay today. Of course along with my apathy comes my closed wallet.
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by: Ebay Pays My Bills
Tue Aug 25 10:22:13 2009
Looks like I've been Un-blocked.

First of all let me say I never use foul language. It just isn't me.

I hope I can continue to post on this forum as I can see many of you are anti-Ebay.

Has anyone seen the new "Shipping Wizard"? LOL

I canceled the pop-up and didn't even give it a chance.

Has anyone here tried it?

PS: I'll try to keep it low key so David doesn't give me the boot again.
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by: Jo
Tue Aug 25 11:00:24 2009
@ Martin

Speaking for myself only, and nothing personal mind you but I am cautious of you and don't trust you to some extent. I base how I feel on past experiences on the boards and other posters there. Also along with eBay's  current MO.

You appear to be choosing a more diplomatic MO to get your point across to eBay. While I agree this does at times work I will not go along with your attempt as I feel this is to time consuming and time may be just what eBay is hoping for. The noise needs to continue and continue loudly and on a daily basis. If you feel any input here is beneficial to your goals then there is nothing stopping you from SSing the contents of this topic, burning them to a cd and distributing them among your colleagues at eBay for review.

Someone told fruity here to  draft a complaint letter and post it here for people to copy, print, sign and send off to the appropriate Governmental agencies. I think that is a very good idea, since many people may not know what to say or how to say it. I suggest you do the same. Everyone hear fights their battles with eBay in their own way. JMO

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by: Herb Rules
Tue Aug 25 19:03:15 2009
Hey there @ eBay Pays My Bills
I guess it's not just eBay silencing voices hey? LOL
Do not go up against Ming especially; it's pretty much a guaranteed block. Mysteriously...
Cheers my friend!
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by: Ebay sPays My Balls
Wed Aug 26 11:26:20 2009
Cheers back at you Herb dRules.

It takes real guts to stand up to the rabble that stands up for what is right and just.

I love the fact that Ebay wants to control every aspect of selling items that they do not own. I do not have very much business knowledge and need the guidance of a company such as Ebay.

Just think ... without Ebay I might have to think for myself and everyone who knows me knows that is a bad idea.

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• Police Template Ebay Complaint Statement....
• FEEBAYS new user agreement - Part 2L. The Principles of Contract
• FEEBAYS new user agreement - Part 2K. The Principles of Contract
• FEEBAYS new user agreement - Part 2J. The Principles of Contract
• FEEBAYS new user agreement - Part 2I. The Principles of Contract
• FEEBAYS new user agreement - Part 2H. The Principles of Contract
• FEEBAYS new user agreement - Part 2G. The Principles of Contract
• FEEBAYS new user agreement - Part 2G. The Principles of Contract
• FEEBAYS new user agreement - Part 2F. The Principles of Contract
• FEEBAYS new user agreement - Part 2E. The Principles of Contract
• FEEBAYS new user agreement - Part 2D. The Principles of Contract
• FEEBAYS new user agreement - Part 2C. The Principles of Contract
• FEEBAYS new user agreement - Part 2B. The Principles of Contract
• FEEBAYS new user agreement - Part 2A. The Principles of Contract
• FEEBAYS new user agreement - Part 1. That is forced upon you without negotiation....
• Meggy goes down - in flames Part XVIII - Former eBay chief faces skeptical tech leaders
• Meggy goes down - in flames Part XVII - Dr Jay debates Meggy.
• Meggy goes down - in flames Part XVI - Meg REFUSES to debate.
• Ebay stops fraud - 2002 and now - pick the improvement in apathy.
• EBay Faces a Lawsuit for Identifying Real Coins as Fakes
• Antitrust Lawsuit Filed against eBay over PayPal, Payments Policies
• Ebay rigs the bidding - by automatically bidding you against no one.
• Corporate Blogs and 'Tweets' Must Keep SEC in Mind Social Media Offer Immediacy and Spontaneity to Communications but Risk Running Afoul of Regulations
• Ebay, Paypal and Australia Post.
• Google and Ebay Profiting from Sale of Illegal Goods
• Reports of eBay's New Dispute Process in Action - Yes Ebay and Paypal just rock.
• The latest Ebay / Paypal Scam - giving Paypal to schools, charaties etc., Part I.
• Ebay gets nailed for FALSE ADVERTISING - again (the bullshit and conjobs continue)
• Meggy goes down - in flames Part XV - Won't Vote for Meg
• Meggy goes down - in flames Part XIIII - Her picking on same sex relationships back fires.
• Meggy goes down - in flames Part XIII - Her successor dumps her dumb ideas.
• Meggy goes down - in flames Part XII - the students think she is an arsehole.
• Paypal launders Gambling Money offshore from organised crime syndicates..
• Sue Paypal.org - have a look at this site.
• I am going to pinch ONE weppage from this site - Why? Because it's excellent.
• Meggy goes down - in flames Part XI - Whitman Fan Site #1.
• Meggy goes down - in flames Part X - Fun Names For Whitman.
• Meggy goes down - in flames Part VIIII - Get your Neg Meg T Shirts
• Meggy goes down - in flames Part VIII - Her Credibility as the Ebay CEO....
• Meggy goes down in flames Part VII
• Meggy goes down in flames Part VI
• Meggy goes down in flames Part V. (she is a hardcore fetish pornography entrepreneur too)
• Whitman goes down in flames Part IIII
• Whitman goes down in flames Part III
• Whitman goes down in flames Part II
• Meggy goes down - in flames. (or unethical CEO = incompetent Govenor)
• Ebay even fucks around our best Journo's - and their accounts get hacked too.
• The Root of all Evil - The Nazi's of Ebay.
• eBay CEO John Donahoe at Goldman Sachs Conference
• Another stock market Analyst... Some nasty ebay questions.
• For Whom the Bell Tolls - Ebay Investor Day Commeth.
• Alibaba/Taobao kicks Ebays arse in China - plans to kick Ebays arse on home turf.
• Congress nails Ebay for permitting and profiteering from fraud.
• Citi Bank - Ebay Investors Meeting Questions.
• Meg Whitman is a BORE, and a tiresome old one at that - the Delegates snooze during her speech.
• Heavily Vaselined Ex-eBay CEO Running for California Governor
• Meg Whitman - Running for California Gov - in her own words. Part I.
• Ebay Australia - Pulls my dick - Gets punched in the nose.
• The Fat Bastard Griff - Dog and Pony Show.
• Whitman and her buddies even scam the shareholders.....
• Ebay owns 118 companies - Fooey.
• Haaaa Haaaaaaaa Ebay just gets Dumber and Dumber...... Flashing Adds in listings.
• The Competition to Ebay - are now listing Millions of Unique Items
• The Competition just gets hotter - and Ebay gets sad and worse.
• Haaa haa ha - Ebay profit slumps 30%+, shares under $10 - CEO full of shit.
• eBay Alternatives News Roundup: New Features and Contests
• eBay Alternatives Pick up Steam in 2008 Thanks to Google
• The Tide has Gone OUT - on Ebay.
• The Ebay Alternatives ARE picking up Steam - and lots of it..
• China - Vision sinks boots into Ebay (Yessssssssss!)
• China-Vision - direct dropshipping to over 50 Alternatives to Ebay
• Ten different Analysts sitting on a fence - and the feedback.
• The Accountants and Stock Brokers said: Part 2.
• And the Accountants and Stock Brokers said: Part 1.
• How Meggy "Dim-Whit-man" lost her grab for other peoples domain names.
• A Fun Poem......
• Meggie Whitman runs for California Govenor..... (vomits up anus)
• Schools Out - For Ever - Ebay Univeristy - Crashes and Burns
• An almost final thought for 2008.
• The Crystal Ball - Ebay in 2009 - We Saw it First (Our Crystal Ball is better than theirs)
• Is the crash of Ebay a share buyback - resell scam?
• Almost ONE year ago - today..... Ebay - was severely shit then and things got worse.
• Feedback in the forums.
• The con-artists who run Ebay are now pushing for protection from retail price fixing?
• More insight into Paypals negligence.
• Paypal Support - now with longer hours (= more bullshit, more hours)
• Lots of people want to join a class action against Ebay - make that class actions..
• Give the little guys a go! New Small Local Auction Site
• Ebay - Best place to buy (mostly dead) stolen rare native wildlife
• People IN Ebay say "Donna-Hoe - Your a Tool".
• Cases AGAINST Paypal in the US Federal Court
• Cases AGAINST Ebay in the US Federal Court
• 2008: The Year eBay Lost Its Mojo
• Just WHO does Ebay share your personal information with? "Fuck Me!!!"
• Ecommerce Guide - Our Picks for Top eBay Alternatives for 2008
• Small Business Computing - Ebay Alternative Awards
• The Head of Ebay Australia Quits - Leaves Legacy of Dishonesty and Destruction.
• Ebay deletes objectors posts - Image Management = Crooked Company
• This guy is an astute writer - And the feed back? It's savage.
• The Growing Frustration of eBay Sellers
• eBay Buyer Incentives Are Not a Good Bargain
• eBay's Disruptive Innovations Come Full Circle - bites stupid CEO on his own arse
• eBay closes European national offices
• Ebay - Anti-Competative behaviour - Against Sellers, Buyers - Part FOUR
• Ebay - Anti-Competative behaviour - Against Sellers, Buyers - Part THREE
• Ebay - Anti-Competative behaviour - Against Sellers, Buyers - Part TWO
• Ebay - Anti-Competative behaviour - Against Sellers, Buyers - Part ONE.
• Ebid wins Webuser Award - Best Alternative to Ebay Site.
• Public confidence in Ebay = a big fat "0".
• Meg Whitman loses bid for governor domain names
• Ebay promotes FRAUD by selling it.
• L'Oreal can wax my pubes anyday - sues Ebay for being crooked wankers
• Ebay Sales attract hackers like Flies to Shit.
• Ebay Security? Ebay Customer Service? What Security - What Service?
• Ebay Poo-litics.
• Ebay / Paypal mass renegs on "buyer protection".
• Recent Ebay Glitches..... This is really BAD.
• Dr Jay goes Mental....
• PooPal Advertising
• Playing the Paypal Circle Jerk.
• EBay and Paypal sumbags our Aboriginals.
• Ebay managment are not on the ball.....
• Paypal's NOT working.... again.
• Dear Dr. Jay
• After the Collapse and Crash of Ebay
• Don from Mr Fixit dot Com Speaks.
• Ebay is in the shit. Big time. - In simple terms;
• The NASTY side of Ebay management....
• Donna The Ho' - Eats Crow.
• Ebays stocks now under $12...... Ebay founder and ex Ebay CEO's give shares = tax wrought?
• Ebay page views drop by more than 30%.... (glug, glug, glug - gasp...)
• More serious competition to Scambay - err I mean Ebay.
• He'd rather fuck a coconut?
• Meggy Whitless - The Golden Shower Queen of Pee-Bay
• Ebay scams the sellers...
• Ebays policies against bid sniping - One company places up to 300 snipe bids a second.
• Ebay Loves Shill Bidders - Why? Because Ebay makes more. That's why.
• This is just soooooooo fucking typically Ebay:
• Hows this for an Ebay Suspension?
• How Much Money EBay Stole From Me In The Last Week!
• Meg Whitman wants everyone else's "Meg Whitman" domain names
• Ebay takes over "Bill Me Later Inc" - borrows $1 billion.
• The Professional eBay Sellers Alliance - statement:: "Ebay is completely fucked"
• Meggy Whitman Gets a Hot Date!!!! (Not)
• The Attorneys General - Where, Who and How to SHAFT Ebay in the USA.
• Paypal took a survey.....
• EBAY PAYPAL and the IRS? part II - the article's great - the comments are interesting.
• EBAY - PAYPAL - IRS? Your account goes up shit creek.
• Ebay Founder becomes Champion of Social Justice?
• PayPal accounts compromised over 16 months; No response from eBay
• John McCain - Grew a brain - Thinks Witman founded Ebay.
• * * * * * * * Awards for the Best Fuck Ebay Videos
• Ebay shits in Paul Numans face.
• Ebay enters the Twilight Zone (Doo Doo Doo Doo, Doo Doo Doo Doo)
• eBay's Death By a Thousand Fee Cuts
• How the management of Ebay scams you with their "government" type bullshit.
• Ebay - How it really is.
• Dirty Deals Done Dirt Cheap - Ebay shafts sellers "Big Time".
• Ebays Credit takes a nose dive - stumbling from broken nose to kick in nuts.
• International Anti Counterfeiting Coalition Vs. Ebay - Nasty Ebay.
• 10 Top Frustrations of Ebay users - from another site:
• MARCH, 2008 “EBAY CHICAGO” COMPLIMENTARY PIZZA
• Do you know about the law of exponentiality?
• Oh Meg Whitman - we love you !!!
• Ebay Shares now $13, another 1000 employees out..
• Bid Sniping = Ebay Sleazeware.
• What Ebay fucked up in Australia - they are spreading to the rest of the world.
• "Ebay Haters" has a Face Book Site::: Whooooo Whoooooo
• Ebay sinks even lower - and lower and lower
• Ebay Sellers Fee's rise by 300%
• The Consumer, The Courts vs. Ebay - A trip down Memory Lane.
• The I Hate Ebay Support Group - LOL - Brilliant
• And before Paypal - there was SquareTtrade - slippery wording, sly ciontracts..
• Consumer Alert: PayPal's Problems
• Ebay tried to force everyone to pay, by Paypal only, back in 2005
• Amazon.com - New Payment System........................... ( = no paypal)
• 2500 Lost Heaps on Ebay Australia.....- Ebays Responses?
• Yeahhh Ebay is a Trafficker of Pirated Software and Cheap FAKES.
• This is an example of how Ebay pulls peoples "no paypal" listings:
• There are ONLY 15 people working in Paypal in Australia!
• eBay rebels take PayPal issue to the Reserve Bank of Australia
• From the eBay chat board.....
• Kicking the Ebay Bug.
• Paypal and the BIG LIE.
• A temporary change of mind......
• I think I might sign off on this blog.
• eBay still 'forcing' sellers to use PayPal
• Slimebay and the ACCC......
• Ebay releases statement - "We ARE filing for bankruptcy".
• Is Ebay about to file for bankruptcy?
• Ebay vs. the ACCC - and ALL of the Ebay Haters - & their 700+ submissions.
• Just how many policies does Ebay / Paypal have?
• Paypals "Product Disclosure Statement" ( = sign your rights away)
• 28 US Attorneys General vs. Paypal and Ebay
• The State of Play - of Ebay in Australia - Today Tonight Stats.
• ebay fee hike sparks seller rebellion 3,165 Comments
• Alistair McGibbon...... Life on Civvy Street - and the General Public.
• EBay rivals circle vulnerable auctions kingpin
• The Courier Mail...
• The BIG LIE....
• Ebay's Town Hall Meeting. (ahem)
• Fuck Ebay --------- Yay the reserve bank..... (for once) Everyone Hates Ebay's Management.
• Points to consider when opposing Ebays Application for Exclusive trading
• Whooaaa Ebay aint Freindly. Letter to the ACCC - Power Sellers United.
• Help lube the ACCC's digit as it probes deeper into the shit - send your submissions to the ACCC
• The ACCC is now probing the Anus of Ebay.
• He hates Ebay and Pay Pal too - www.screw-paypal.com - Aussie's fight back:
• Ebay now forces all sellers to ONLY use paypal.
• Ebay Australia? Your kidding right.....
• Jason goes Gunning for PayPal
• Ebay Customer Service Solutions by Jason
• An interesting report by Deucha Bank on Ebay -
• Ebay - Sellers are sinking the boots into them - shares are dropping...
• Get your own printable FuckEbay Award..... FREE - for you and your friends!!
• Hmm Some Great Anti-PayPal sites (Anti-Ebay)
• Now a Word about PayPal - from Our Friends - Paypalwarning.com
• How Ebay staff lie, scheme and bullshit people...
• You wanna read up on all the bullshit the fucking clowns in ebay put people through?
• Google Checkout... Fuck Ebay and it's Pay Pal. (Pay Pull?)
• Ebay management bullshits and blames the sellers and buyers for it's fuckups and incompetence.
• Ebay Shares have dropped in value more than 50%
• The people who run Ebay are just soooo fucking deceiful and crooked... and full of shit.
• Uhh more complaints about BAD Ebay Customer Service. What can I say?
• Ebay fucking your round with your sellers Neg Feedback?
• Hmmm Fuck Him - the Scammer Seller.
• Fuck Ebay - Kafka - The Trial (a prehistorical parody of Ebay?)
• I still hate Ebay.
• Fuck Ebay - here are some 80 + alternatives to Ebay...:)
• Bad Ebay #7 - this is pretty typical BAD EBAY / PAYPAL service / scamming.
• Bad Ebay #6 - Ebay and Paypal support Fraud.
• Bad Ebay #5... peeps are SUING EBAY (Yay!!!!)
• Bad Ebay #4. - The peoples Hate Ebay sites.
• Bad Ebay #3. Oooooooo they is bad.
• Bad Ebay #2.. they piss more people off than you can imagine.
• Bad Ebay #1.
• I hate Ebay... I have had a gutful of their shit and I have had enough

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