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Tuesday, June 2, 2009 - Meggy goes down - in flames Part XXXX - A rehash of what a thieving terd Whitman is


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chris-kelly/meg-whitman-week---wednes_b_202767.html


Meg Whitman Week -- Wednesday: A Tawdry Episode

    "Why did she risk the assault on her integrity and that of the company she has run so well? She certainly didn't need the money. Nor could she have been unaware of how unfair the practice is to small shareholders."

-- William G. Flanagan, Dirty Rotten CEOs, on Meg Whitman

    "It's time to run California like a business."

-- Meg Whitman

Meg Whitman isn't the richest woman in California. She's only the fourth richest. In fact, she's barely the 897th richest person in the universe. And voters get that. That's what gives her that common touch you just wouldn't get from Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands.

And Meg Whitman earned her money herself. All $1.4 billion of it. It came from perseverance, patience and long hard honest work. Except for the $1.78 million from Goldman Sachs. Which she stole.

But she gave it back when they caught her. (Maybe there's a campaign slogan in that: "Whitman for Governor. If You Catch Me Stealing I'll Give it Back.") And the whole incident made her feel just awful.

She not only returned the cash, she emailed this note:

    "The last 24 hours have been painful for me. There is nothing worse than having your integrity questioned under circumstances where you know that you did nothing wrong and followed all the rules. Given my experience yesterday, I plan to participate in the growing national debate about corporate governance and business ethics."

And since that day, her life has been charted by one lodestar and driven by one idea: The rules of corporate governance and business ethics must be loosened up.

But I'm getting ahead of myself.

It's like this:

Meg Whitman was the CEO of eBay. EBay's investment bankers were Goldman Sachs. EBay didn't have to hire Goldman Sachs to be their investment bankers, because this was a few years ago, when there were lots of banks, and not just the three we keep bailing out. Goldman Sachs was very grateful for eBay's business and they had a special way of showing their gratitude to eBay's executives. Goldman Sachs would let them buy shares in other companies whose initial public offerings they were underwriting. This was during the dot-com era and IPO companies often posted huge first-day gains. After Meg Whitman brought eBay's business to Goldman Sachs, she bought shares in 100 Goldman Sachs IPOs one day and sold them the next day. She made 1.78 million dollars.

It was a good day's work.

Don't think of it as a kickback. Think of it like Discover, the Card that Pays You Back.

Former SEC commissioner Steve Wallman had a less nice way to describe it:

    "It's a black-and-white corporate bribery issue."

Who else was getting Goldman Sachs' insider trading frequent flier miles? People like the hardworking executives at WorldCom and Enron chairman Kenny Lay.

The process was called "spinning." Sorry, you're not allowed to do it anymore.

In 2002, a House Financial Services Committee found out about it. And so did eBay stockholders, who then sued their own executives for breaching their fiduciary responsibilities to the company by insider trading and not bringing enough for everyone.

Whitman and other eBay executives settled the suit by paying three million dollars, while denying that any of the allegations were true. Goldman Sachs kicked in another 300 grand.

By complete and total coincidence, Meg Whitman had been given a seat on the board of Goldman Sachs. She was forced to resign in disgrace. She'd been there 14 months. Which reminds me of my favorite line from Wall Street:

    "You'll have the shortest executive career since that Pope that got poisoned."

It must have hurt. To a grade-grubbing ass-kissing resume-polisher like Meg Whitman it must have really, really hurt.

I think it's the whole reason she's running for governor. I think she doesn't just prattle on about cutting unfair regulations all the time because it's a Republican talking point. It's personal. She broke a rule. So the rules must be wrong.

I think what she really wants is vindication for her shame.

I don't think she wants to be governor for the fame or the power. And she's made it abundantly clear that she doesn't want the job so she can help anyone.

I think she thinks the people of California are the tools of her absolution.


http://www.sacbee.com/politics/story/1887681.html


Whitman's IPO stock deals have critics raising ethics issues


By Andrew McIntosh
amcintosh@sacbee.com
Published: Sunday, May. 24, 2009 - 12:00 am | Page 23A

Along with considerable acclaim for her business acumen, former eBay chief executive Meg Whitman attracted controversy and criticism for accepting exclusive opportunities to invest in initial public stock offerings during the thriving dot-com era.

The practice led to a shareholder lawsuit against Whitman and others. It also exposed Whitman to the national political scene when her investment drew a public thrashing by Congress.

Now, as a contender for the Republican gubernatorial nomination in California, Whitman may face deeper scrutiny for her involvement in the since-banned financial practice called "spinning."

She has repeatedly insisted that an investment firm gave her access to more than 100 IPO stocks because she was one of the firm's wealthy private clients, not because she picked the firm to handle eBay's own IPO.

That explanation didn't wash with a Delaware judge, however. In a 2004 preliminary ruling in an eBay shareholders' lawsuit, the judge accused Whitman and other company executives of a conflict of interest.

Whitman and two others settled the lawsuit in 2005, admitting no wrongdoing.

How Whitman handled herself when those stock dealings came to light is particularly pertinent to her potential run for governor, according to David Shapiro, a professor at City University of New York, who specializes in financial fraud and corruption.

"She had no understanding of the appearance of impropriety," Shapiro said. "She didn't apologize. She didn't acknowledge in hindsight that it didn't look good.

"The question now is: what will become of all the conflicts of interest that come before her as governor?"

A $1.7 million spinning profit

Whitman's brush with what grew into a political controversy came during the Internet boom and bust cycles in Silicon Valley, between 1998 and 2002. It involved a financial practice called spinning, which was legal until 2003.

Major brokerages allocated shares of hot IPOs (initial public stock offerings) in technology companies to top executives at other firms.

Investment firms used "spinning" frequently during the Internet boom. It involved offering a company's executives and board members personal shares in IPOs as a reward for giving the investment firms corporate business. Investment firms initially denied that was their motive, but later agreed to ban the practice.

The firms offered key executives shares at starter IPO prices not then available to ordinary retail investors. The executives resold their shares within days, making millions.

After Wall Street whistleblowers exposed the practice, small investors and state and federal lawmakers were outraged.

Whitman was accused of spinning because of her dealings with investment giant Goldman Sachs of New York, one of the oldest Wall Street investment firms.

As eBay's chief executive in 1998, Whitman had hired Goldman Sachs to help take her company public through an initial public stock offering on Nasdaq.

A year later, eBay used Goldman Sachs for a second stock issue and the firm was hired again to advise eBay as Whitman led a takeover of PayPal in 2002.

For all of those services, eBay paid Goldman $8 million.

Starting in 1998 and through at least most of 2002, Whitman also was a private banking client of Goldman Sachs.

During that time, Goldman allocated to her between a few hundred and a couple of thousand shares in more than 100 hot dot-com IPOs, at the starting price. As the stocks surged, Whitman sold her shares, making a $1.78 million profit, she later acknowledged.

Whitman insisted then that the practice was common and legal, and continues to maintain she did nothing improper, said Henry Gomez, a former eBay executive who is now her senior campaign spokesman. Whitman declined to be interviewed by The Bee.

Shapiro, the New York professor, and federal and state lawmakers saw the stock deals rather differently. "A quasi-kickback," Shapiro told The Bee in a recent interview.

Fellow eBay executive Steve Westly, who later became state controller and ran for governor, also was accused of making $1 million by spinning IPO trades through a rival brokerage, Robertson Stephens, that also did work for eBay.

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• This is just soooooooo fucking typically Ebay:
• Hows this for an Ebay Suspension?
• How Much Money EBay Stole From Me In The Last Week!
• Meg Whitman wants everyone else's "Meg Whitman" domain names
• Ebay takes over "Bill Me Later Inc" - borrows $1 billion.
• The Professional eBay Sellers Alliance - statement:: "Ebay is completely fucked"
• Meggy Whitman Gets a Hot Date!!!! (Not)
• The Attorneys General - Where, Who and How to SHAFT Ebay in the USA.
• Paypal took a survey.....
• EBAY PAYPAL and the IRS? part II - the article's great - the comments are interesting.
• EBAY - PAYPAL - IRS? Your account goes up shit creek.
• Ebay Founder becomes Champion of Social Justice?
• PayPal accounts compromised over 16 months; No response from eBay
• John McCain - Grew a brain - Thinks Witman founded Ebay.
• * * * * * * * Awards for the Best Fuck Ebay Videos
• Ebay shits in Paul Numans face.
• Ebay enters the Twilight Zone (Doo Doo Doo Doo, Doo Doo Doo Doo)
• eBay's Death By a Thousand Fee Cuts
• How the management of Ebay scams you with their "government" type bullshit.
• Ebay - How it really is.
• Dirty Deals Done Dirt Cheap - Ebay shafts sellers "Big Time".
• Ebays Credit takes a nose dive - stumbling from broken nose to kick in nuts.
• International Anti Counterfeiting Coalition Vs. Ebay - Nasty Ebay.
• 10 Top Frustrations of Ebay users - from another site:
• MARCH, 2008 “EBAY CHICAGO” COMPLIMENTARY PIZZA
• Do you know about the law of exponentiality?
• Oh Meg Whitman - we love you !!!
• Ebay Shares now $13, another 1000 employees out..
• Bid Sniping = Ebay Sleazeware.
• What Ebay fucked up in Australia - they are spreading to the rest of the world.
• "Ebay Haters" has a Face Book Site::: Whooooo Whoooooo
• Ebay sinks even lower - and lower and lower
• Ebay Sellers Fee's rise by 300%
• The Consumer, The Courts vs. Ebay - A trip down Memory Lane.
• The I Hate Ebay Support Group - LOL - Brilliant
• And before Paypal - there was SquareTtrade - slippery wording, sly ciontracts..
• Consumer Alert: PayPal's Problems
• Ebay tried to force everyone to pay, by Paypal only, back in 2005
• Amazon.com - New Payment System........................... ( = no paypal)
• 2500 Lost Heaps on Ebay Australia.....- Ebays Responses?
• Yeahhh Ebay is a Trafficker of Pirated Software and Cheap FAKES.
• This is an example of how Ebay pulls peoples "no paypal" listings:
• There are ONLY 15 people working in Paypal in Australia!
• eBay rebels take PayPal issue to the Reserve Bank of Australia
• From the eBay chat board.....
• Kicking the Ebay Bug.
• Paypal and the BIG LIE.
• A temporary change of mind......
• I think I might sign off on this blog.
• eBay still 'forcing' sellers to use PayPal
• Slimebay and the ACCC......
• Ebay releases statement - "We ARE filing for bankruptcy".
• Is Ebay about to file for bankruptcy?
• Ebay vs. the ACCC - and ALL of the Ebay Haters - & their 700+ submissions.
• Just how many policies does Ebay / Paypal have?
• Paypals "Product Disclosure Statement" ( = sign your rights away)
• 28 US Attorneys General vs. Paypal and Ebay
• The State of Play - of Ebay in Australia - Today Tonight Stats.
• ebay fee hike sparks seller rebellion 3,165 Comments
• Alistair McGibbon...... Life on Civvy Street - and the General Public.
• EBay rivals circle vulnerable auctions kingpin
• The Courier Mail...
• The BIG LIE....
• Ebay's Town Hall Meeting. (ahem)
• Fuck Ebay --------- Yay the reserve bank..... (for once) Everyone Hates Ebay's Management.
• Points to consider when opposing Ebays Application for Exclusive trading
• Whooaaa Ebay aint Freindly. Letter to the ACCC - Power Sellers United.
• Help lube the ACCC's digit as it probes deeper into the shit - send your submissions to the ACCC
• The ACCC is now probing the Anus of Ebay.
• He hates Ebay and Pay Pal too - www.screw-paypal.com - Aussie's fight back:
• Ebay now forces all sellers to ONLY use paypal.
• Ebay Australia? Your kidding right.....
• Jason goes Gunning for PayPal
• Ebay Customer Service Solutions by Jason
• An interesting report by Deucha Bank on Ebay -
• Ebay - Sellers are sinking the boots into them - shares are dropping...
• Get your own printable FuckEbay Award..... FREE - for you and your friends!!
• Hmm Some Great Anti-PayPal sites (Anti-Ebay)
• Now a Word about PayPal - from Our Friends - Paypalwarning.com
• How Ebay staff lie, scheme and bullshit people...
• You wanna read up on all the bullshit the fucking clowns in ebay put people through?
• Google Checkout... Fuck Ebay and it's Pay Pal. (Pay Pull?)
• Ebay management bullshits and blames the sellers and buyers for it's fuckups and incompetence.
• Ebay Shares have dropped in value more than 50%
• The people who run Ebay are just soooo fucking deceiful and crooked... and full of shit.
• Uhh more complaints about BAD Ebay Customer Service. What can I say?
• Ebay fucking your round with your sellers Neg Feedback?
• Hmmm Fuck Him - the Scammer Seller.
• Fuck Ebay - Kafka - The Trial (a prehistorical parody of Ebay?)
• I still hate Ebay.
• Fuck Ebay - here are some 80 + alternatives to Ebay...:)
• Bad Ebay #7 - this is pretty typical BAD EBAY / PAYPAL service / scamming.
• Bad Ebay #6 - Ebay and Paypal support Fraud.
• Bad Ebay #5... peeps are SUING EBAY (Yay!!!!)
• Bad Ebay #4. - The peoples Hate Ebay sites.
• Bad Ebay #3. Oooooooo they is bad.
• Bad Ebay #2.. they piss more people off than you can imagine.
• Bad Ebay #1.
• I hate Ebay... I have had a gutful of their shit and I have had enough

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