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Thursday, May 7, 2009 - FEEBAYS new user agreement - Part 2C. The Principles of Contract

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The mechanics of buying and selling products in the 18th and 19th centuries

# The above examples demonstrate four points about the method of buying and selling products in the 18th and 19th centuries. First, goods and services were mass-marketed based on pre-printed forms fixed by the producer. Ben Franklin's book catalog business in 1744 differs in no material respect from Amazon's on-line book catalog business. Second, the standard method of purchasing services did not involve a pre-contract time period during which seller and buyer negotiated the terms of the transaction. The North American Steamship Company and the Central Pacific Railroad Company specified the conditions of passage required for doing business with that firm. The conditions were already typed on pre-printed tickets. Neither the railroad company nor the steam ship company negotiated these terms with purchasers prior to selling the ticket. The producer dictated the term. Virtually all transport systems today follow the same practice.[49]

# Third, "pay now terms later" transactions, that have provoked heated debate in contemporary litigation based on their supposed novelty, were established business practices in the 19th century. The ticket buyer specified the destination, paid the ticket price and then received the ticket containing the limitation of liability. Fourth, the buyer did not need to sign a document to signal acceptance of the terms. Rather, the buyer manifested assent to the terms by conduct, such as payment or use.

# Mark Twain's trip on the Overland Stage Coach in 1861, recounted in the book Roughing It, provides anecdotal evidence of the effects fixed terms had on buyers. Twain's ticket from St. Joseph, Missouri to Carson City, Nevada cost $1[50] approximately $2660 in today's dollar, or the equivalent of taking the Concord from New York to Paris. After purchasing his ticket and arriving at the location to board the coach, Twain learned that passengers were limited to 25 pounds of baggage. Twain had to shed much of his luggage. The book does not tell whether Twain's ticket contained the limitation, and he failed to read it, or whether the term was a "surprise" learned only when he boarded the coach. In any event, the unexpected loss of luggage did not result in litigation.

# Even at this early stage, firms treated pre-printed conditions as contracts enforceable between the seller and buyer. This perception persisted even though these terms were unilaterally imposed and non-negotiable, unlike the ordinary contract as a process of bargain. For example, the North American Steamship Company ticket stated in pre-printed language, "For value received, on the conditions herein, hereby mutually agreed to, the North American S.S. Co. contracts to furnish to M (space for person's name) who by accepting this contract agrees to its limitations." The ticket did not contain any line for the signature of the buyer, but only the blank space for the steamship's agent to complete the ticket by writing in the buyer's name. The buyer's act of paying for the ticket and using it, signaled the buyer's acceptance of the "mutually agreed to" terms. Acceptance of terms by payment of the product deviated from the standard paradigm of acceptance - the signature of the party - thereby foreshadowing acceptance signaled by opening a box containing the written term inside.
The validity of pre-printed terms in the 19th century

# Courts as well as firms treated pre-printed terms as contracts in the 19th century. The judicial treatment of standardized terms as contracts was a matter of presumption not the product of analysis. The facts that pre-printed terms: (1) were not produced during a bargain, (2) did not reflect a "meeting of the minds" and (3) did not reflect trade-offs in benefits and burdens between the parties did not cause the courts to question whether pre-printed terms were properly parsed under contract law.50 In the above examples: Franklin's catalog, the North American Steamship and Central Railroad tickets, and Western Union telegraphs, the buyer focused upon the product with a few other considerations, such as price and quantity. The seller also focused upon the product, with the regularization of conditions. While the focus of the transaction was the product for both seller and buyer, the seller used pre-printed standardized terms to treat all buyers alike and to limit liability. The limitation of liability logically reduced the cost of the good or service for buyers. Though the producer dictated the limitation of liability, the courts upheld them under a variety of theories, mainly under the view that the allocation of risk was reasonable. While legal historians of contract law, such as Atiya and Horowitz, have argued that these unenlightened decisions reflected the pro-business climate of the time, the opinions are not that facile and their logic of holding product costs down permeates contemporary court decisions.[51]

# For example, in Primrose v. Western Union, the United States Supreme Court enforced a term limiting consequential damages printed on the reverse side of the Western Union Telegraph Company's standard form for telegraphic messages.[52] Primrose, a citizen of Pennsylvania, sued Western Union, a New York corporation, to recover losses in the amount of $20,000 attributable to a mistake in the transmission of a ciphered message. Primrose, a national wool dealer, wrote a message to Toland, his agent in Kansas, on "one of a bunch" of Western Union blank forms he kept in his office. He did not remember reading the reverse side of the form, and he paid $1.15 to transmit the message. Previous messages sent to Toland in the same code were transmitted without incident. However, this time, due to an error in transcription, Toland bought 300,000 pounds of wool and Primrose lost $20,000.

# The Supreme Court limited his remedy to $1.15, the price he paid to send the message under a mixed theory of tort and contract law. Treating the dots and dashes of telegraph messages as goods, the Supreme Court noted, "common carriers of goods or passengers cannot, by any contract with their customers, wholly exempt themselves from liability for damages caused by the negligence of themselves or their servants."[53] But, common carriers can restrict the sum for which they will be liable for ordinary negligence by "special contract." The "contract will be upheld as a proper and lawful mode of securing a due proportion between the amount for which the carrier may be responsible and the freight he receives, and of protecting himself against extravagant and fanciful valuations."[54] The court observed, "The message cannot be the subject of embezzlement; it is of no intrinsic value; its importance cannot be estimated, except by the sender, and often cannot be disclosed by him without danger of defeating his purpose."[55] In other words, Western Union could not divine its value and act with the corresponding level of care.

# Whether Primrose read the standardized term or not was irrelevant to the ruling. The Supreme Court concluded, "There can be no doubt, therefore, that the terms on the back of the message, so far as they were not inconsistent with law, formed part of the contract between him and the company under which the message was transmitted."[56] Because Primrose did not pay for a repeated message, which might have detected the error, "he could not recover more than the sum which he paid for sending the single message."[57]

# The bottom line of the case was cost. The Supreme Court was not going to stick Western Union with a $20,000 bill for making a mistake in transcribing a $1.15 ciphered message sent from Pennsylvania to Kansas, even if Western Union committed an error.[58] Hence, the Supreme Court couched its holding under the rule of Hadley v. Baxendale.[59] The Court stated:

    Under any contract to transmit a message by telegraph, as under any other contract, the damages for a breach must be limited to those which may be fairly considered as arising according to the usual course of things from breach of the very contract in question, or which both parties must reasonably have understood and contemplated, when making the contract, as likely to result from its breach.[60]

# If Primrose had made Western Union aware of the special circumstances of his message and the consequences that would follow if transmitted with error, the breach of the special contract would have made Western Union liable for the damages within the contemplation of Primrose and Western Union. Since Primrose failed to inform Western Union of the damages likely to follow from error, Primrose could not recover the "foreseeable" damages, that is, his $20,000 loss in the wool market. Imposing liability would increase the cost of sending messages thereby disrupting the public communication system.

# The contra-fact assumption is that additional information would have made a difference in the outcome of the case. But the Hadley v. Baxendale rule of putting a party on notice of "special circumstances" to allow recovery of consequential damages had no place even in 19th century mass-market business. One cannot seriously imagine Primrose walking into his local Western Union office and telling a clerk, untrained in the commodities market, about the possible consequences of an erroneously transmitted message, and then negotiating a marked-up fee. Even if Primrose had educated the clerk, the clerk had no authority to change the firm's pre-printed limitation on its blank form nor did the clerk have a formula to calculate a fee based on the increased risk of transmitting a commodity order in code. Primrose was in the best position to avoid the loss by paying for a repeated message.[61]

# The 19th century Supreme Court also upheld pre-printed limitation of liability terms on bills of lading used by railroads. For example, in Hart v. Pennsylvania R. Co., Hart shipped five horses and other property on one railroad car. [62] By the negligence of the railroad company, one of the horses was killed, others were injured and additional property was lost. Hart claimed the horse killed was a racehorse worth $15,000. However, the form bill of lading contained several paragraphs of dense text, one of which specified that the value of a horse was $200. The Supreme Court limited Hart to the remedy provided in the bill of lading. According to the Court, Hart had accepted as "just and reasonable" the "valuations" stipulated in the bill of lading by the railroad company because he paid the specified rate of freight. However, the case does not contain any evidence that Hart had another choice, that is, to negotiate a different rate based on his claimed value of the horse, $15,000. The bill of lading was pre-printed Form No. 39 entitled "Limited Liability Live-stock Contract for United Railroads of New Jersey Division." Nevertheless, the Supreme Court stated, "The valuation named was the 'agreed valuation,' the one on which the minds of the parties met."[63] Similar to the logic in Primrose, the Court reasoned, "It is just to hold the shipper to his agreement, fairly made, as to value, even where the loss or injury has occurred through the negligence of the carrier. The effect of the agreement is to cheapen the freight and secure the carriage, if there is no loss; and the effect of disregarding the agreement, after a loss, is to expose the carrier to a greater risk than the parties intended he should assume."[64] Where one of many identical transactions in the ordinary course of business fails and produces a loss disproportionate to the cost of the product, sellers may limit their liability so long as they do not efface their obligation to pay damages.
The business purpose role of standardized terms

# Standardized terms had purposes beyond fixing legal rights and obligations. Firms used standardized terms to set rules of doing business. If a buyer wanted to do business with a particular firm, any transaction between buyer and firm had to follow a fixed set of rules. Uniformity arose from the firm's scale and the distance that separated the remote buyer and seller. Firms also had to make blanket guarantees to assure buyers that they could trust a start-up company physically located thousands of miles away. The story of Montgomery Ward and Sears Roebuck after the Civil War illustrates these points. Their story also provides compelling evidence of early mass marketing of goods and services to consumers across state and national borders, the common use of standardized terms to do business and the development of novel forms of payment permitting remote buyers to pay for purchases through the mail. But, cross border transactions between merchants and consumers did not originate with Montgomery Ward or Sears Roebuck. Catalog businesses date back to the 17th century.[65]

# Aaron Montgomery Ward and Richard Sears "started in mail order as moonlighters with tiny, precarious and obscure ventures."[66] Ward started first in 1872, while Sears followed in 1886, first selling only watches. Both companies focused upon the American farmer who, at that time, bought supplies, tools and clothing from local stores at substantially marked-up prices due to intermediaries between manufacturer and retailer. The American farmer lacked the option to buy at large department stores, such as Macy's, due to distance; the large department store, such as Bloomingdales, also did not cater to the needs of the farmer for tools and special clothing, but focused on over the counter sales to city residents. The marketing innovation behind each firm was low price. That price was achieved by eliminating the middlemen ordinarily occupying space between the manufacturer and ultimate consumer. Montgomery Ward and Sears Roebuck were the lowest priced merchant houses in America. Low prices built the original customer base.

# Montgomery Ward and Sears Roebuck both established businesses in Chicago, Illinois. The dilemma faced by each firm was how to get customers who lived enormous distances from the physical location of the firm to send cash in the mail before getting the product. The buyers could not see or talk to Ward or Sears personally, nor could they talk to or see their agents. Examining the product prior to purchase was out of the question. To solve this dilemma, each firm produced catalogs depicting the merchandise and explaining the terms of the business. The Sears Roebuck catalog No. 104 of 1897 "was 770 pages and out-circulated virtually all other books published that year."[67] Seven pages contained pre-printed business terms explaining the business and setting forth non-variable terms of doing business with Sears. The section captioned "Rules, Conditions of Shipment, Terms, Etc." stated:

    PLEASE READ THE FOLLOWING RULES AND CONDITIONS VERY CAREFULLY:

    To conduct our business in a gratifying, prosperous and beneficial manner, it is necessary that we establish certain rules to govern our movements so as to enable us to handle all orders and correspondence in a successful and satisfactory way. To prevent any misunderstanding we therefore ask your careful attention to the following rules and conditions from which we cannot deviate under any circumstances.

    The Prices we Quote for Goods in Our Store.
    All expense of transportation of goods and Money MUST BE BORNE BY THE PURCHASER. All quotations are subject to fluctuation of the market without notice to the purchaser. IF THERE IS A DECLINE WE WILL GIVE YOU THE BENEFIT OF THE DECLINE and refund the difference. IF THERE IS AN ADVANCE, we will charge you for such advance. The prices quoted in this book are correct at the time of printing, and as a rule there is very little variation until the next following issue.[68]

# Three observations follow from these terms. First, the nature and scale of the business required the store to organize itself around a set of inflexible rules. The firms bought goods from manufacturers with cash and sold them to anonymous buyers in the market for cash. The fast and cheap delivery of products prohibited dickering over terms. The firms established blanket policies for placing orders, paying for them, examining them and returning them. The policies also stated that risk of loss shifted to the buyer once the product was delivered to the carrier unless the buyer paid for insurance. The terms of the transaction thus were non-variable, or "adhesive," not because Sears or Ward wanted to overbear the will of the buyer but because neither Sears nor Ward could serve its market and hold down prices by dealing on different terms with customers. Second, Sears shifted the risk of market fluctuations in the price of products to the buyer based on a non-negotiable pre-printed term. Third, the catalog, with remarkable prescience, employs the use of variable type font and face to call the reader's attention to key terms. But, given the lower rates of literacy during this time, many farmers probably bought from Sears or Ward, or any other mass merchandiser, based on pictures in the catalog or sales literature, and could not read the "terms and conditions" of the company. Yet, they were bound by them.

# More important, the dominant purpose of standardizing terms was to treat all customers alike regardless of race, status or class. In a section entitled "The Policy of Our House," the catalog stated, "Our Terms are Alike to All," and "Our Employees are Instructed to Treat Every Customer at a Distance Exactly as They Would Like to be Treated were they in the customer's place."[69] While this representation was advertisement designed to increase sales, nevertheless the method of doing business guaranteed the customer's anonymity and prevented the different treatment of orders.[70] Hence, standardized terms, now thought of as anti-consumer "big" business practices, helped democratize the market place.

# Critical to each firm's success was the money back guarantee. In 1873, the Chicago Tribune published an article claiming Ward was a charlatan keeping all the money sent to his post box for himself and sending shoddy products, if any, to his customers. In response, Ward had the Chicago Tribune investigate his firm and verify the firms' policy "whereby anyone shipped C.O.D. could refuse to pay the express company if not satisfied after seeing the goods."[71] Eventually, Ward adopted a simpler guarantee: "Satisfaction guaranteed or Your Money Back." Sears studied and expanded upon the Ward guarantee making it more specific and universal. It provided:

    We guarantee that each and every article in this catalog is exactly as described and illustrated. We guarantee that any article purchased from us will satisfy you perfectly; that it will give the service you have a right to expect; that it represents full value for the price you pay. If for any reason whatever you are dissatisfied with any article purchased from us, we expect you to return it to us at our expense. We will then exchange it for exactly what you want, or will return your money, including any transportation charges you have paid.[72]

# Necessity thus was the mother of invention. Both firms had to make this promise to obtain the trust of customers. The money back guarantee was the product of economic necessity not the product of law. More than 100 years later, the "right to return" is probably the most widely held expectation of the American consumer. In the European Union, that right is the product of EU Directive and national laws.

# The legal system in the 19th century generally enforced standardized terms. In the telegraph and transportation cases, the decisions reduced the cost of production for the producer and reduced the cost of product for consumers. This conclusion logically follows from the passing of risk (cost) to customers. Had Western Union insured these risks, the costs of insurance would have been spread across the customer base, raising the price of the service. The United States Supreme Court in 1991 has used the correlation between reduced cost and fixed terms to validate a standardized term in a passenger ticket.[73] In 1898, Montgomery Ward received 1,400,000 orders and had $8,500,000 in sales.[74] In 1894, Sears had $500,000 in sales,[75] but by 1900 Sears Roebuck sales exceeded 10 million dollars.[76] Consumers, sophisticated and unsophisticated alike, believed they were harmed as demonstrated by the spate of lawsuits against Western Union in the 19th century based on failure to deliver money on time or to send a message exactly as requested. However, firms bore risks in cost of inventory, employees and real property and had to survive the cycles of boom and recession. More important, national businesses, like Sears Roebuck and Montgomery Ward, demonstrated that doing business in a mass market made using a single set of rules an administrative necessity. Standardized terms were a result of economies of scale. It is therefore unremarkable that their use became more widespread in the 20th century.

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• FEEBAYS new user agreement - Part 2H. The Principles of Contract
• FEEBAYS new user agreement - Part 2G. The Principles of Contract
• FEEBAYS new user agreement - Part 2G. The Principles of Contract
• FEEBAYS new user agreement - Part 2F. The Principles of Contract
• FEEBAYS new user agreement - Part 2E. The Principles of Contract
• FEEBAYS new user agreement - Part 2D. The Principles of Contract
• FEEBAYS new user agreement - Part 2C. The Principles of Contract
• FEEBAYS new user agreement - Part 2B. The Principles of Contract
• FEEBAYS new user agreement - Part 2A. The Principles of Contract
• FEEBAYS new user agreement - Part 1. That is forced upon you without negotiation....
• Meggy goes down - in flames Part XVIII - Former eBay chief faces skeptical tech leaders
• Meggy goes down - in flames Part XVII - Dr Jay debates Meggy.
• Meggy goes down - in flames Part XVI - Meg REFUSES to debate.
• Ebay stops fraud - 2002 and now - pick the improvement in apathy.
• EBay Faces a Lawsuit for Identifying Real Coins as Fakes
• Antitrust Lawsuit Filed against eBay over PayPal, Payments Policies
• Ebay rigs the bidding - by automatically bidding you against no one.
• Corporate Blogs and 'Tweets' Must Keep SEC in Mind Social Media Offer Immediacy and Spontaneity to Communications but Risk Running Afoul of Regulations
• Ebay, Paypal and Australia Post.
• Google and Ebay Profiting from Sale of Illegal Goods
• Reports of eBay's New Dispute Process in Action - Yes Ebay and Paypal just rock.
• The latest Ebay / Paypal Scam - giving Paypal to schools, charaties etc., Part I.
• Ebay gets nailed for FALSE ADVERTISING - again (the bullshit and conjobs continue)
• Meggy goes down - in flames Part XV - Won't Vote for Meg
• Meggy goes down - in flames Part XIIII - Her picking on same sex relationships back fires.
• Meggy goes down - in flames Part XIII - Her successor dumps her dumb ideas.
• Meggy goes down - in flames Part XII - the students think she is an arsehole.
• Paypal launders Gambling Money offshore from organised crime syndicates..
• Sue Paypal.org - have a look at this site.
• I am going to pinch ONE weppage from this site - Why? Because it's excellent.
• Meggy goes down - in flames Part XI - Whitman Fan Site #1.
• Meggy goes down - in flames Part X - Fun Names For Whitman.
• Meggy goes down - in flames Part VIIII - Get your Neg Meg T Shirts
• Meggy goes down - in flames Part VIII - Her Credibility as the Ebay CEO....
• Meggy goes down in flames Part VII
• Meggy goes down in flames Part VI
• Meggy goes down in flames Part V. (she is a hardcore fetish pornography entrepreneur too)
• Whitman goes down in flames Part IIII
• Whitman goes down in flames Part III
• Whitman goes down in flames Part II
• Meggy goes down - in flames. (or unethical CEO = incompetent Govenor)
• Ebay even fucks around our best Journo's - and their accounts get hacked too.
• The Root of all Evil - The Nazi's of Ebay.
• eBay CEO John Donahoe at Goldman Sachs Conference
• Another stock market Analyst... Some nasty ebay questions.
• For Whom the Bell Tolls - Ebay Investor Day Commeth.
• Alibaba/Taobao kicks Ebays arse in China - plans to kick Ebays arse on home turf.
• Congress nails Ebay for permitting and profiteering from fraud.
• Citi Bank - Ebay Investors Meeting Questions.
• Meg Whitman is a BORE, and a tiresome old one at that - the Delegates snooze during her speech.
• Heavily Vaselined Ex-eBay CEO Running for California Governor
• Meg Whitman - Running for California Gov - in her own words. Part I.
• Ebay Australia - Pulls my dick - Gets punched in the nose.
• The Fat Bastard Griff - Dog and Pony Show.
• Whitman and her buddies even scam the shareholders.....
• Ebay owns 118 companies - Fooey.
• Haaaa Haaaaaaaa Ebay just gets Dumber and Dumber...... Flashing Adds in listings.
• The Competition to Ebay - are now listing Millions of Unique Items
• The Competition just gets hotter - and Ebay gets sad and worse.
• Haaa haa ha - Ebay profit slumps 30%+, shares under $10 - CEO full of shit.
• eBay Alternatives News Roundup: New Features and Contests
• eBay Alternatives Pick up Steam in 2008 Thanks to Google
• The Tide has Gone OUT - on Ebay.
• The Ebay Alternatives ARE picking up Steam - and lots of it..
• China - Vision sinks boots into Ebay (Yessssssssss!)
• China-Vision - direct dropshipping to over 50 Alternatives to Ebay
• Ten different Analysts sitting on a fence - and the feedback.
• The Accountants and Stock Brokers said: Part 2.
• And the Accountants and Stock Brokers said: Part 1.
• How Meggy "Dim-Whit-man" lost her grab for other peoples domain names.
• A Fun Poem......
• Meggie Whitman runs for California Govenor..... (vomits up anus)
• Schools Out - For Ever - Ebay Univeristy - Crashes and Burns
• An almost final thought for 2008.
• The Crystal Ball - Ebay in 2009 - We Saw it First (Our Crystal Ball is better than theirs)
• Is the crash of Ebay a share buyback - resell scam?
• Almost ONE year ago - today..... Ebay - was severely shit then and things got worse.
• Feedback in the forums.
• The con-artists who run Ebay are now pushing for protection from retail price fixing?
• More insight into Paypals negligence.
• Paypal Support - now with longer hours (= more bullshit, more hours)
• Lots of people want to join a class action against Ebay - make that class actions..
• Give the little guys a go! New Small Local Auction Site
• Ebay - Best place to buy (mostly dead) stolen rare native wildlife
• People IN Ebay say "Donna-Hoe - Your a Tool".
• Cases AGAINST Paypal in the US Federal Court
• Cases AGAINST Ebay in the US Federal Court
• 2008: The Year eBay Lost Its Mojo
• Just WHO does Ebay share your personal information with? "Fuck Me!!!"
• Ecommerce Guide - Our Picks for Top eBay Alternatives for 2008
• Small Business Computing - Ebay Alternative Awards
• The Head of Ebay Australia Quits - Leaves Legacy of Dishonesty and Destruction.
• Ebay deletes objectors posts - Image Management = Crooked Company
• This guy is an astute writer - And the feed back? It's savage.
• The Growing Frustration of eBay Sellers
• eBay Buyer Incentives Are Not a Good Bargain
• eBay's Disruptive Innovations Come Full Circle - bites stupid CEO on his own arse
• eBay closes European national offices
• Ebay - Anti-Competative behaviour - Against Sellers, Buyers - Part FOUR
• Ebay - Anti-Competative behaviour - Against Sellers, Buyers - Part THREE
• Ebay - Anti-Competative behaviour - Against Sellers, Buyers - Part TWO
• Ebay - Anti-Competative behaviour - Against Sellers, Buyers - Part ONE.
• Ebid wins Webuser Award - Best Alternative to Ebay Site.
• Public confidence in Ebay = a big fat "0".
• Meg Whitman loses bid for governor domain names
• Ebay promotes FRAUD by selling it.
• L'Oreal can wax my pubes anyday - sues Ebay for being crooked wankers
• Ebay Sales attract hackers like Flies to Shit.
• Ebay Security? Ebay Customer Service? What Security - What Service?
• Ebay Poo-litics.
• Ebay / Paypal mass renegs on "buyer protection".
• Recent Ebay Glitches..... This is really BAD.
• Dr Jay goes Mental....
• PooPal Advertising
• Playing the Paypal Circle Jerk.
• EBay and Paypal sumbags our Aboriginals.
• Ebay managment are not on the ball.....
• Paypal's NOT working.... again.
• Dear Dr. Jay
• After the Collapse and Crash of Ebay
• Don from Mr Fixit dot Com Speaks.
• Ebay is in the shit. Big time. - In simple terms;
• The NASTY side of Ebay management....
• Donna The Ho' - Eats Crow.
• Ebays stocks now under $12...... Ebay founder and ex Ebay CEO's give shares = tax wrought?
• Ebay page views drop by more than 30%.... (glug, glug, glug - gasp...)
• More serious competition to Scambay - err I mean Ebay.
• He'd rather fuck a coconut?
• Meggy Whitless - The Golden Shower Queen of Pee-Bay
• Ebay scams the sellers...
• Ebays policies against bid sniping - One company places up to 300 snipe bids a second.
• Ebay Loves Shill Bidders - Why? Because Ebay makes more. That's why.
• This is just soooooooo fucking typically Ebay:
• Hows this for an Ebay Suspension?
• How Much Money EBay Stole From Me In The Last Week!
• Meg Whitman wants everyone else's "Meg Whitman" domain names
• Ebay takes over "Bill Me Later Inc" - borrows $1 billion.
• The Professional eBay Sellers Alliance - statement:: "Ebay is completely fucked"
• Meggy Whitman Gets a Hot Date!!!! (Not)
• The Attorneys General - Where, Who and How to SHAFT Ebay in the USA.
• Paypal took a survey.....
• EBAY PAYPAL and the IRS? part II - the article's great - the comments are interesting.
• EBAY - PAYPAL - IRS? Your account goes up shit creek.
• Ebay Founder becomes Champion of Social Justice?
• PayPal accounts compromised over 16 months; No response from eBay
• John McCain - Grew a brain - Thinks Witman founded Ebay.
• * * * * * * * Awards for the Best Fuck Ebay Videos
• Ebay shits in Paul Numans face.
• Ebay enters the Twilight Zone (Doo Doo Doo Doo, Doo Doo Doo Doo)
• eBay's Death By a Thousand Fee Cuts
• How the management of Ebay scams you with their "government" type bullshit.
• Ebay - How it really is.
• Dirty Deals Done Dirt Cheap - Ebay shafts sellers "Big Time".
• Ebays Credit takes a nose dive - stumbling from broken nose to kick in nuts.
• International Anti Counterfeiting Coalition Vs. Ebay - Nasty Ebay.
• 10 Top Frustrations of Ebay users - from another site:
• MARCH, 2008 “EBAY CHICAGO” COMPLIMENTARY PIZZA
• Do you know about the law of exponentiality?
• Oh Meg Whitman - we love you !!!
• Ebay Shares now $13, another 1000 employees out..
• Bid Sniping = Ebay Sleazeware.
• What Ebay fucked up in Australia - they are spreading to the rest of the world.
• "Ebay Haters" has a Face Book Site::: Whooooo Whoooooo
• Ebay sinks even lower - and lower and lower
• Ebay Sellers Fee's rise by 300%
• The Consumer, The Courts vs. Ebay - A trip down Memory Lane.
• The I Hate Ebay Support Group - LOL - Brilliant
• And before Paypal - there was SquareTtrade - slippery wording, sly ciontracts..
• Consumer Alert: PayPal's Problems
• Ebay tried to force everyone to pay, by Paypal only, back in 2005
• Amazon.com - New Payment System........................... ( = no paypal)
• 2500 Lost Heaps on Ebay Australia.....- Ebays Responses?
• Yeahhh Ebay is a Trafficker of Pirated Software and Cheap FAKES.
• This is an example of how Ebay pulls peoples "no paypal" listings:
• There are ONLY 15 people working in Paypal in Australia!
• eBay rebels take PayPal issue to the Reserve Bank of Australia
• From the eBay chat board.....
• Kicking the Ebay Bug.
• Paypal and the BIG LIE.
• A temporary change of mind......
• I think I might sign off on this blog.
• eBay still 'forcing' sellers to use PayPal
• Slimebay and the ACCC......
• Ebay releases statement - "We ARE filing for bankruptcy".
• Is Ebay about to file for bankruptcy?
• Ebay vs. the ACCC - and ALL of the Ebay Haters - & their 700+ submissions.
• Just how many policies does Ebay / Paypal have?
• Paypals "Product Disclosure Statement" ( = sign your rights away)
• 28 US Attorneys General vs. Paypal and Ebay
• The State of Play - of Ebay in Australia - Today Tonight Stats.
• ebay fee hike sparks seller rebellion 3,165 Comments
• Alistair McGibbon...... Life on Civvy Street - and the General Public.
• EBay rivals circle vulnerable auctions kingpin
• The Courier Mail...
• The BIG LIE....
• Ebay's Town Hall Meeting. (ahem)
• Fuck Ebay --------- Yay the reserve bank..... (for once) Everyone Hates Ebay's Management.
• Points to consider when opposing Ebays Application for Exclusive trading
• Whooaaa Ebay aint Freindly. Letter to the ACCC - Power Sellers United.
• Help lube the ACCC's digit as it probes deeper into the shit - send your submissions to the ACCC
• The ACCC is now probing the Anus of Ebay.
• He hates Ebay and Pay Pal too - www.screw-paypal.com - Aussie's fight back:
• Ebay now forces all sellers to ONLY use paypal.
• Ebay Australia? Your kidding right.....
• Jason goes Gunning for PayPal
• Ebay Customer Service Solutions by Jason
• An interesting report by Deucha Bank on Ebay -
• Ebay - Sellers are sinking the boots into them - shares are dropping...
• Get your own printable FuckEbay Award..... FREE - for you and your friends!!
• Hmm Some Great Anti-PayPal sites (Anti-Ebay)
• Now a Word about PayPal - from Our Friends - Paypalwarning.com
• How Ebay staff lie, scheme and bullshit people...
• You wanna read up on all the bullshit the fucking clowns in ebay put people through?
• Google Checkout... Fuck Ebay and it's Pay Pal. (Pay Pull?)
• Ebay management bullshits and blames the sellers and buyers for it's fuckups and incompetence.
• Ebay Shares have dropped in value more than 50%
• The people who run Ebay are just soooo fucking deceiful and crooked... and full of shit.
• Uhh more complaints about BAD Ebay Customer Service. What can I say?
• Ebay fucking your round with your sellers Neg Feedback?
• Hmmm Fuck Him - the Scammer Seller.
• Fuck Ebay - Kafka - The Trial (a prehistorical parody of Ebay?)
• I still hate Ebay.
• Fuck Ebay - here are some 80 + alternatives to Ebay...:)
• Bad Ebay #7 - this is pretty typical BAD EBAY / PAYPAL service / scamming.
• Bad Ebay #6 - Ebay and Paypal support Fraud.
• Bad Ebay #5... peeps are SUING EBAY (Yay!!!!)
• Bad Ebay #4. - The peoples Hate Ebay sites.
• Bad Ebay #3. Oooooooo they is bad.
• Bad Ebay #2.. they piss more people off than you can imagine.
• Bad Ebay #1.
• I hate Ebay... I have had a gutful of their shit and I have had enough

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