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A PRIEST has died after trying to demonstrate how Jesus walked on water. Evangelist preacher Franck Kabele, 35, told his congregation he could repeat the biblical miracle. One eyewitness said: “He told churchgoers he'd had a revelation that if he had enough faith, he could walk on water like Jesus. He walked into the water, which soon passed over his head and he never came back.” I tried not to laugh, I really did. But I failed; I failed miserably (I know, I know, I’m a horrible person). I include this story only because it’s a rather extreme example of a type of faith I’m about to examine (oh, alright, and because it’s funny). Faith Type 1: Belief in God. This is also known as ‘belief without evidence, lacking any rational reason to suppose its truth.’ On its own, this type of faith is most closely approximated by deism, but is shared by all religious persons (obviously). Faith Type 2: Belief, not only lacking evidence, but in the face of evidence to the contrary. Also known as ‘believing you can walk on water when you’re up to your balls in wet stuff.’ As I said, it’s an extreme and absurd example, but it’s the functional equivalent of denying evolution, or believing Noah’s flood story, Adam & Eve, or that the earth is less than 10,000 years old. The problem with organized religions is that Faith Type 1 arrives pre-packaged with a hell of a lot of Faith Type 2, and FT2 is a commitment to some pretty serious stupid. Belief in God, by itself, shouldn’t be too much of a problem. What is the practical difference between persons who differ on natural vs. supernatural causes of the universe at large? Very little; it should in no way have any effect on how those people live their lives or on politics across societies. As we start to slide along the continuum from FT1 towards FT2, however, the negative effects of religion on society become more apparent, and religious faith begins to encroach on the rights and freedoms of all. FT2 is a serious problem in the United States, as more than half the population are evolution deniers and believe the earth to be less than 10,000 years old (pretty much a form of insanity). The further towards FT2 an individual is, the more likely they will be committed to denying the rights of fellow citizens, and to vote for ignorant morons like George Bush. Such ignorance among populations is a fundamental problem for democracy, as it’s easily manipulated by politicians. I see it as somewhat ironic that “Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all those others…” I guess my point is that if you have to be religious, please try to avoid faith type 2. Now, lest everyone think I’ve gone mental and am defending belief in God, I should point out that believing in something without evidence is silly. Here’s why: by what criteria are faith-based beliefs accepted or rejected? Why believe Christianity over Islam, or polytheism, or astrology, or the tooth fairy? All of these beliefs are faith based beliefs that have not a shred of evidence in favor of them. All are contradicted by logic and evidence and all are pretty much equally likely to be true. Ah, I feel better now.
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| Obviously his problem was two-fold; 1. He didn't have any faith in his ability to swim and 2. He didn't have faith that he could breathe underwater. Either one would have done the trick...:)
Sounded like you were just recognising the fact that some people, for some reason feel a need to "believe" in something. And that's OK, but... The worrying thing is that FT2 seems to be much more common these days and there's just no discussing it with those guys. It's Gawd's way or no way... | |||
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| Nice one Ted. I never thought of that. But that's the obvious problem, isn't it? Something is either true or it is not; God exists or does not. No amount of faith will change reality.
"The worrying thing is that FT2 seems to be much more common these days..." Yep, it's one hell of a worry, especially in the US. Bloody nightmare over there at the moment. | |||
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| "No amount of faith will change reality"
Well, there is that.... It probably wouldn't have drawn much of a crowd either; "Today, for your viewing pleasure, the lord has revealed unto me, that if I have enough faith I shall be able, as Jesus did before me, to walk upon the water. Failing that, The Lord says I should swim if in danger of drowning..." Perhaps God should come with a standard disclaimer...:) | |||
| Posted by plonka | |||
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| I laughed a little at this story too. I couldn't help it :)
So, if god really does exist and he/she doesn't have a sense of humour, I am definitely "goin ta hell." | |||
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| Ted,
The God disclaimer: This deity reserves the right not to exist. Any damages, injuries, deaths etc resulting from belief in this deity are entirely the responsibilty of the idiots involved. Beep, A sense of humour is rather unlikely given what we're expected to believe from the Bible. I think it's safe to say that we'd both be screwed. Seems strange that we're not the least bit worried though, doesn't it? It is eternity after all. | |||
| Posted by Adam | |||
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| TAG! You're IT!
My Favorite Things... http://www.whitepage.com.au/plonka/33294/My_Favourite_Things.html | |||
| Posted by plonka | |||
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| Do you remember the bit in Douglas Adams' Hitchhiker Trilogy where he talks about the faith that can move mountains being measured in Everests?
Basically Adams' concept of faith was a measurable quality of some energy that needed to be a ridiculous quantity before it actually could do anything useful. After some discussion, Adams was then able to seamlessly move into the joke about the magician who made a bet with the king that he could move an entire mountain in the space of a year. All of this just for the priceless line (and it wasn't even the punchline) about this being the "hardest night's work ever". Genius. | |||
| Posted by dikkii | |||
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| Actually, what I meant by that was 2 things.
This idiot who thought he could walk on water clearly didn't have enough faith, were you top believe in that sort of thing. What's, however more scary is that someone in, what is presumably a first world country cannot swim. If I thought that I could walk across a lake, I'd at least learn how tro swim as a backup plan first. | |||
| Posted by dikkii | |||
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| Hi Dikkii,
Great to have you back. I hope the honeymoon went well. Yes, his lack of swimming ability is extremely strange (assuming he didn't just have an untimely heart attack or something). What's also strange is the behaviour of the people watching. Did no-one try to save him? Were they all so stupid to believe he would start floating atop the water? Wasn't there someone there with enough doubt that a rescue could have been attempted, or did they all share this guy's moronic absolute faith? Strange incident all round really. If you're wondering why nothing much has been happening here recently, I'm afraid my home computer's packed it in. I'm waiting for the next paycheck so I can get a new one (about 2 weeks). Man, will I have a lot of catching up to do. | |||
| Posted by Adam | |||
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| What makes You such an Authority on this subject?
Your probably not even religious | |||
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