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• 8/5/2007 - We depend on many others throughout the world, so we should respect each other.

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The theory of interdependence allows us to develop a wider perspective. With wider mind, there is less attachment to destructive emotions like anger, therefore more forgiveness. In today's world, every nation is heavily interdependent, interconnected. Under these circumstances, destroying your enemy--your neighbour--means destroying yourself in the long run. You need your neighbour. More prosperity in your neighbour, you'll get the benefit.

Now, we're not talking about the complete removal of feelings like anger, attachment, or pride. Just reduction. Interdependence is important because it is not a mere concept; it can actually help reduce the suffering caused by these destructive emotions.

We can say the theory of interdependence is an understanding of reality. We understand that our future depends on global well-being. Having this viewpoint reduces narrow-mindedness. With narrow mind, one is more likely to develop attachment, hatred. I think this is the best thing about the theory of interdependence--it is an explanation of the law of nature. It affects profoundly, for example, the environment.

--from The Wisdom of Forgiveness: Intimate Conversations and Journeys by His Holiness the Dalai Lama and Victor Chan

 

A simple example of how interdependent our society is:

Imagine purchasing a pair of prescription glasses.  The glasses are made up of the metal frame; the protective coating over the metal frame where it sits on our ears; screws to keep the frame together; silicone pads to cushion the frames on our noses; the glass lenses.  Now think of all of the people it has taken to make those one pair of glasses.  Really think about it. 


The people who mined the raw materials and then refined them into a usable form. 


The people who were involved in the transportation of every component, throughout every stage of the manufacturing process. 


The designer of the frames, lenses, the screws and the pads. 


The optometrist who tested your eyes to determine the type of lens you required.


The staff at the optometrist who also served you. 


Then there is the builder of the building that the optometrist conducts his business in. 


The people who were involved in manufacturing the equipment that the optometrist uses.


The people who trained the people who did all of the prior things mentioned. 


I could go on, but I think you get the point that the number of people who have contributed to that one pair of prescription glasses is unimaginable and they come from all over the entire planet.


That was only one small example; now stretch it out to include everything you have around you and every service that you use.  The ultimate conclusion is that we depend on each other so we should respect each other.

 

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• 8/5/2007 - Food for thought

Posted by AngelaJames
The quote from the Dali Lama is thought provoking, I don't agree with it, but it is leading me on an interesting train of thought.
Your example of the glasses reminds me of an article by economist Milton Friedman who talks about how a pencil is constructed, all the resouces and all the people needed, just so one of us can write (I imagine that would be a very simple version when I consider now I am not writing with a simple pencil but a complex machiene). The point Friedman pulls out is that all of this happens without any one person giving directions as to who should work where or how much of each product to produce. It just happens as a result of trade. And trade was my first thought when reading about countries depending on one another. I don't think you have to reject attachment or consumption or the outside world in order to appreciate the idea.
No person is an island or can live in isolation, we would never rest and always be tired doing all the chores we need to support ourselves!
Anyhow I'm waffling and not getting to a point so I will stop.
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• 9/5/2007 - Hmmm

Posted by cherylgraham2
I am interested in why you don't agree with the Dalai Lama's thoughts. Do you wish to elaborate? No pressure just simple curiousity.
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• 9/5/2007 - The little fella who ..........

Posted by LJMatthews2
Thanks Chezza, a great thought. I have always wondered who is the little fella who puts the threads on the screws that holds the whole frame and lenses together.

The usual mental picture of Christanity is that it is a religion of exclusion. You don't follow our rules you are out - narrow mindedness. However, Jesus came to include not exclude.
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• 10/5/2007 - Thanks Len

Posted by cherylgraham2
I tried to comment on your blog a few days ago and wasn't allowed to :-(

I have great respect and admire Jesus and I feel that when warmongers are amongst us and they use the Bible as a reference they conveniently quote from the Old Testament which does not seem to be as accepting and loving as the teachings of Jesus. Therefore I never refer to the Old Testament - I am not sure where this leaves the Jewish people when it comes to their religion? I am not making a slur against Judaism, I am actually asking a question as I don't know the answer - I guess that will be a task for the future.

Thanks Len
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• 10/5/2007 - Not allowed?

Posted by LJMatthews2
don't know why you would not be able to comment, must have been just a temporary thing. I will check my settings to make sure I have not done something I did not mean to do.

I understand what you say about the Old Testament. It can seem like chalk and cheese when you compare with the New Testament. The Old seems to be only judgement and the New is grace. But that is the orgins of Jesus' cross - judgement before grace and foregiveness after.

I do not like the term Judeo/Christianity. The two are separate and Christianity should not be sadled with Jewish religion.
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• 10/5/2007 - True......

Posted by cherylgraham2
It gets very complicated as Judaism, Islam and Christianity are all different in their perspective but they all originate from the one source and actually worship the same God. Wouldn't it be nice if we could accept that we have a common God and respect each others point of view. But even the protestants and the Catholics can't live in harmony (in some areas) so what can I say but - one day perhaps :-)

May Peace rain down!
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• 11/5/2007 - that day will come ...

Posted by LJMatthews2
That day wil come, though it may only be when the Eternal Creator decides that enough is enough and brings it all to an end and He creates us all anew.

For most of Humanitiy the definition of peace is "everblody else agreeing with my personal beliefs and view point". or "I need everybody else in the same type of box as I put me".
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• 11/5/2007 - Peace........

Posted by cherylgraham2
Yes you are probably right about what some people define as peace. But I think you would agree with me that peace will only come when we accept everyone for who they are and not try to change them to who we want them to be and I believe that is the basic teachings of Jesus/Buddha (can't comment on other religions as I am not well versed in them, yet) - love and total acceptance of everyone.

Thanks for your comments Len.
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• 13/5/2007 - Agree

Posted by LJMatthews2
Most of us do not accept others with a genuine acceptance regardless of their personal beliefs. If we could, then there would be no wars and no violence.
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• 26/5/2007 - Disagreeing with the Dali Lama

Posted by AngelaJames
Sorry to take so long to respond! I don't agree that attachment is a bad emotion or idea. It may be that Buddhism defines it differently to my understanding. But attachment to things and people and ideas is not a bad thing, it gives us a sense of ownership, identity and individuality. It forces us to act and take charge of things that are important to us. Attachment and ownership can be empowering whilst we are still in this world and as a Christian I believe our attachment to God leads us to look to the next one as well.
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• 26/5/2007 - Attachment in Buddhism

Posted by cherylgraham2
Yes many people do not understand the theory of attachment when it comes to Buddhism, many believe it is as if a Buddhist doesn't care when it is quite the opposite. To be honest even Jesus spoke of attachment and detachment.

The meaning is that we are supposed to create a feeling of us not feeling that we need to be attached (cling) to people or things to be whole. Therefore we are free to love people despite their flaws because we don't expect them to act a certain way. We don't need people and things to make us happy.

I can remember being shocked as a teenager when I read that Jesus wasn't (not sure how he put it exactly) attached to his Mother or his brother (James - I may be wrong on his name) as he loved everyone equally to that of his Mother and brother. Jesus wouldn't put his family before anyone else as he loved everyone equally.

So you see Jesus' approach is a similar principle to the Buddhist feeling of attachment - just worded differently I would say.

That's how I see it anyway :-)
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