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• 8/5/2007 - God please explain - as we are very confused down here on planet Earth

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Retired Marine preaches, says killing terrorists is an ‘act of love for our nation’

By Laura Followell
The Tribune-Star

TERRE HAUTE — According to retired U.S. Marine Col. J. Tyler Ryberg, the Bible contains messages about war and capital punishment. God is a powerful soldier.

Ryberg, who served in the Marines for more than 27 years, gave a sermon Sunday morning at
Good Shepherd Baptist Church’s Armed Forces Day, where some of the 150 people in attendance often erupted with an “Amen!”

The colonel asked churchgoers if the global war on terrorism was a “just war” and a “God-ordained war,” which he later affirmed.

“We’re killing Islamic jihadists, bloodthirsty killers,” he said. “Peace is not an option. You don’t negotiate with bloodthirsty, jihadist killers.”

While he was in the Marines, Ryberg said, he was often asked, “If you’re a
Christian, why do you want to go to war to kill people?” Ryberg said he wants Americans to understand that it’s an act of love to kill evil people who seek to kill Americans.

“If we do take their life, they will kill no more. It’s an act of love for our nation,” Ryberg said.

He explained the importance of government and said that without government, chaos would ensue.

“We are all sinful creatures with a sin nature,” he proclaimed. “Sinful mankind left unrestrained will cause chaos.”

Ryberg justified capital punishment and said it’s in the Bible. God ordains the principle of taking life as an instrument of his justice, he added.

“God gaveth long before our nation was born. It’s always been on the books. And [the Bible] is the highest law of the land,” Ryberg said. “And I want to let you know our Supreme Court, they’re not supreme, only God is. And [the Bible] is the supreme law of the land, and the buck stops here.”

The sound of shuffling Bible pages reverberated across the pews as Ryberg asked worshippers to note specific passages. Ryberg often referenced passages that he interpreted as relating to war and its justification.

He said that only God gives life and only God takes life, but said God gave Noah the right to take the life of an evil man who sheds innocent blood.

Ryberg said that Abraham fought the first biblical war in the word of God. He said God told Abraham to go to war with his “well-trained” servants, his army. Ryberg said God won that war by coming down and killing his enemies.

“There’s none other; there’s none higher; there’s none greater than our God,” Ryberg said.

“The only day we will have perfect peace is the day Jesus
Christ comes back. … Our Lord’s coming back, folks,” he said.

Jerry Gibbons, who served in the Army for eight years, wanted to hear the colonel speak.

“I’m very impressed to see someone who has served that long on active duty and still have that much faith in God, our country and government,” Gibbons said.

Marcella Weaver said the sermon seemed to the point. To her, it justified war.

“God says that we are to help those being attacked by the bloodthirsty,” she said, “and it’s an act of love.”

http://www.tribstar.com/local/local_story_126235058.html

 

You will have to excuse me as I am totally gob smacked here, lost for words, shocked, angry and down right frustrated.


Well what can I say?


Were do I start?  Okay piece by piece I guess.


Let’s assume that this is true and not a media beat up, anything is possible as far as the media is concerned.


Firstly what sort of a church allows a military man to preach a sermon in a church and the sermon is justifying war?  I thought a church was a place of peace, not a place to incite racial hatred of our fellow man.


I was under the impression that one of the 10 Commandments was “Thou shalt not kill”, however on further investigation it is “You shall not murder”.  I wonder if that commandment is just a bit too obscure, as what do we define as murder?


It appears that Ryder must have had a close conversation with God as Ryder has the authority to say that it is a “God-ordained war.”  He also says, “Abraham fought the first biblical war in the word of God. He said God told Abraham to go to war with his “well-trained” servants, his army. Ryberg said God won that war by coming down and killing his enemies.  Therefore I can only assume that God told Bush it is okay to go to war and we just have to wait for God to now come down and kill America’s enemies.


Ryder also said, “The only day we will have perfect peace is the day Jesus Christ comes back.”  I wish Jesus Christ would come down as seriously I want to know his opinion on all of this.  JC preached love your fellow man regardless of race or status, so this all seems like a total contradiction to me.


Another classic quote “If we do take their life, they will kill no more. It’s an act of love for our nation,” Ryberg said.  To anyone who may agree with this statement go and hire the factual movie, “Munich” and then come back to me with your opinion.  The fact is once you conduct acts of revenge the killing will never stop, as there will always be some-one to replace those that are killed and the violence actually escalates.


My final word is this.  There is no difference between Ryder inciting war against some of the Islamic population and using the Bible as a weapon than there is an Islamic extremist doing the exact same thing against the Christian and Jewish population and using the Koran as a weapon.

 

Christianity
All things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye so to them; for this is the law and the prophets. Matthew 7:1

  

Islam
No one of you is a believer until he desires for his brother that which he desires for himself. Sunnah

 

Judaism
What is hateful to you; do not do to your fellowman. This is the entire Law; all the rest is commentary. Talmud, Shabbat 3id

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• 8/5/2007 - Christians and the whole war thing

Posted by AngelaJames
I hate articles like this, they make me so angry as it shows very little insight into the Bible and Christianity in general. More importantly I hate seeing religion, any religion used as the justification for war. No war can be justified by religion, it is just a thin veil to hid the real reasons why war mongerers are pushing their cause.

I will say up front that Christianity is not pacifist, but it can embrace those from both sides of the the fence. Much of what is in the old testament - generaly law - can be used to understand Christianity but is somewhat done away by what Jesus has said. He summarises the law as love the Lord your God with all your heart soul mind and strenght and love your neighbour as yourself. If you follow that it is hard to see how you would go to war. And whilst wars are condoned in the Old Testament (and some of them quite horrific), it is Israel which does this, and they are God's holy nation. The principles there can not be applied to any other group (including the US) or even modern day Israel. Infact I would go as far as saying the US, like Australia and the UK is a post-Christian society, not a Christian society.
On top of that whilst the Bible does support property rights, and if our own country or space is invaded there is scope for defence, the phrase 'turn the other cheek' does come to mind.
Equally Christians are encouraged to obey all authority as it is instituted by God, so if our country is at war it is fine to support them. It's also fine to disagree with the war if the motives for it are distinctly anti-Christian.
Actually maybe I should do a blog entry on this as it's stirred me up. I don't believe any war is religious, it is always political. It is waged by states and ideological groups not churches.
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• 8/5/2007 - Yes it stirred me up - I wasn't intending on blogging today

Posted by cherylgraham2
Firstly I probably do need to make something clear and I did hint at it in a comment that I left at VOX. I do not believe that this is a view held by most Christians, but it is a time that Christians spoke up and said to these fanatical Christians: "Not in my name."

I don't actually like the Old Testament as it contains too much violence and some of it flies in the face of Jesus Christ's teachings. I am a fan of JC, just so you know that AJ. I have great respect for 'true Christians', Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus and all other religions whom preach peace.

Wars fought in the name of religion make me sick to the stomach.

If it was the 1st April I would have thought that this was an April Fools Day joke, but sadly it is not.

Thanks AJ - it is my bedtime.
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